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Thread: Conservative Christian Leader Blasts Anti-Refugee Rhetoric, Calls For Compassion

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    Quote Originally Posted by njtom View Post
    A strong bravo to Russell Moore, Southern Baptist leader:
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    Russell Moore, the president of the Ethics and Religious Liberty Commission of the Southern Baptist Convention, told BuzzFeed News on Thursday that he was shocked by the "overheated" rhetoric being employed by high-profile politicians in the wake of the terrorist attacks in Paris....
    Nikos posted this in another thread...are secure borders anti-Christian?



    http://livingfaithforum.com/forum/sh...ks-out-on-ISIS

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    Quote Originally Posted by krystian View Post
    ...are secure borders anti-Christian?
    Was God committing sin when He moved to protect Israel... by going before them wiping out her enemies in self defense?

    Of course not...

    By the same token, self defense against satanic attack against our nation is not sinful... this is just a trick the devil is using where he is using certain people to twist scripture in a way that shames Christians publicly for wanting to defend our nation and the devil's end game is to bring in the muzlim nutjobs to start doing widespread attacks across this nation.

    Anybody with a lick of Biblical and spiritual sense should be able to see what's going on... especially after reading the things the Word teaches about the end times!

    Jesus said the time would come when those that kill you think they are serving God... well, we're there!

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    Thanks to all thread participants for their valuable contributions.

    My two cents on the matter:

    1) It seems to me that compassion is a fundamental aspect of Christianity. Exhibiting compassion some times involves taking risks. If Jesus and the apostles had been primarily concerned with their personal safety, we would have never received the Gospels. And there is no way to live a risk-free life. To put things into perspective, we lose about 32000 lives every year due to automobile accidents, another 14000 due to murder. You could avoid these risks by staying home behind locked doors, but what kind of life would that be?

    2) There is no possible way for the government to guarantee that every refugee admitted is not a terrorist-in-hiding. However, the screenings for other types of visas, such as student, tourist, and business visas, are less-rigorous and time-consuming than those for refugees. The 9/11 terrorists entered the US on these types of visas, not as refugees. If there is a concern about terrorists entering the country, it seems to me that we should first cut down on those other types of visas, rather than punish the most vulnerable class of applicants: the refugees.

    3) An ISIS member who seeks to infiltrate the US by posing as a refugee could just as easily pose as a Christian refugee. Therefore, it does not make sense to me to grant entry to a refugee based on their religion. Once the terrorists know the rules, they'll adapt accordingly.

    4) With respect to Syrian refugees, we're talking about a very tiny number, both in terms of the total refugee population and the total US population. There would be no demographic shift arising from the admitting of these refugees. If there is a concern about demographic shifts, it seems to me that those concerns would be better addressed in relation to the other visa types, and with the overall family-based immigration system.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Femme* View Post
    I was amazed to find some people on FB that thought the US took ALL Jewish refugees.
    Related to this point, I just saw this:

    Anne Frank and her family were also denied entry as refugees to the U.S.
    Among the many who tried — and failed — to escape Nazi persecution: Otto Frank and his family, which included wife, Edith, and his daughters, Margot and Anne. And while the story of the family's desperate attempts ending in futility may seem remarkable today, it's emblematic of what a number of other Jews fleeing German-occupied territories experienced, American University history professor Richard Breitman wrote in 2007 upon the discovery of documents chronicling the Franks' struggle to get U.S. visas.

    "Otto Frank’s efforts to get his family to the United States ran afoul of restrictive American immigration policies designed to protect national security and guard against an influx of foreigners during time of war," Breitman wrote.

    The historian told NPR in 2007 that the documents suggest "Anne Frank could be a 77-year-old woman living in Boston today – a writer."

    Instead, she died at the age of 15 at Bergen-Belsen concentration camp in Germany.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...es-to-the-u-s/

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    http://edition.cnn.com/2015/11/26/eu...sts/index.html

    A German special forces unit arrested two men in a Berlin raid Thursday who are accused of plotting "a significant criminal act against state security," according to Berlin authorities.

    The two men were arrested in the Britz section of the German capital after a search was conducted on an Islamic cultural center, police said.

    The suspects, whose identities have not been released, are 28 and 46, according to police, and the German newspaper Der Tagesspeigel reports that
    one of them was Tunisian and the other Syrian.

    Police said "a suspected dangerous object" found in a vehicle linked to the suspects prompted an evacuation of nearby residences.

    Berlin's attorney general is heading up the ongoing investigation.

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    Thanks, Colonel. I'm curious as to whether or not the alleged perpetrators cited in the article were admitted to Germany as refugees. Germany has taken a very strong stand on admitting refugees.

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    Quote Originally Posted by njtom View Post
    Thanks, Colonel. I'm curious as to whether or not the alleged perpetrators cited in the article were admitted to Germany as refugees. Germany has taken a very strong stand on admitting refugees.
    People are a bit naive. A lot of people these days have a "let's keep living our lives until we cannot, there's nothing we can do about it". They will let in a million Syrian refugees including 10,000 ISIS operatives and think to themselves that "whatever happens, happens". It's kind of like 10 of those operatives would get in anyway, so who cares ? Then their philantropy prevails because helping refugees in the here and now is something they can control whereas they can't do that much about future terrorist attacks.

    If the US took in zero Syrian refugees but helped them where they are overseas then I wouldn't find that objectionable at all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Colonel View Post
    People are a bit naive. A lot of people these days have a "let's keep living our lives until we cannot, there's nothing we can do about it". They will let in a million Syrian refugees including 10,000 ISIS operatives and think to themselves that "whatever happens, happens". It's kind of like 10 of those operatives would get in anyway, so who cares ? Then their philantropy prevails because helping refugees in the here and now is something they can control whereas they can't do that much about future terrorist attacks.

    If the US took in zero Syrian refugees but helped them where they are overseas then I wouldn't find that objectionable at all.
    Looks like Chancellor Merkel is thinking somewhat along those lines:

    Under heavy pressure from Germany to get a grip on the migrant crisis in the Continent after months of dithering, the European Union agreed to a deal on Sunday with Turkey that aims to slow the chaotic flood of asylum seekers into the 28-nation bloc.

    Chancellor Angela Merkel of Germany, speaking to reporters late Sunday, acknowledged that the agreement, under which Europe will provide 3 billion euros, about $3.2 billion, and other inducements in return for Turkish help on migrants, would not immediately halt the flow of asylum seekers from the Middle East and elsewhere. But Ms. Merkel said it would help "keep people in the region" and out of Europe. -- http://www.nytimes.com/2015/11/30/wo...=top-news&_r=0

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