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    Could it be both ? The answer to that question is YES.

    Right wing - minimal government
    Ultra right wing - zero government (only my commune/militia/dopeheads/whatever) = some form of anarchists.
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    There isn't a militia group or any other type of off grid group that isn't infiltrated by LE.

    I remember a story down here where a 1 percenter MC (gang) was going to open a branch locally. They did and ended up with about a dozen guys who ALL turned out to be working for various federal and local agencies, all unbeknownst to each other until they were raided.
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    There isn't a militia group or any other type of off grid group that isn't infiltrated by LE.

    I remember a story down here where a 1 percenter MC gang was going to open a branch locally. They did and ended up with about a dozen guys who ALL turned out to be working for various federal and local agencies, all unbeknownst to each other until they were raided.
    That awkward moment when....

    Wolverine is a small hamlet about 30 mile country ride from our place. Those two they caught have no resemblance to the local militia. The Wolverines of the early '90s would be flying patriot flags. How anyone could mistake this is nearly impossible...unless you want to and thereby implicate both groups.

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    The governor is a narcissist who believes everything is about here. Here is a copy/paste from Lee Chatfield's post on Facebook about this incident. Chatfield is the speaker of the Michigan House of Representatives. Here is a side that the MSM is not talking about.


    Governor, we need to cooperate more. A better message needs to be sent. And now that a couple days has gone by since the plot to attack us both has passed, there are several points that I believe need to be made and questions that need to be asked.
    Why weren't we in the Legislature warned of the plot to take hostages at the Capitol? The plot by these terrorists was against us too. Why weren't House sergeants warned? You knew, and we weren't even given a warning. We had people working in the building every day doing essential work, and their lives matter too.
    Also alarming, the Lieutenant Governor recently blamed Michigan Republicans for the evil plans of these mentally unstable men. That accusation is inflammatory and untrue and does nothing to solve this problem. You chose to blame President Trump instead. The truth is, I started getting death threats to my family at my home the day you said my legislative actions would kill people. Realize that as well.
    But you should also know that others in the legislature have been threatened too. They've received threats, letters and calls to their homes. These threats have been to both Republicans and Democrats, but they aren't given security. They don't have the state resources to build million dollar fences at their homes. And we were targeted in these evil plots too. That's why to overcome this, it will take a unified message and not political talking points or partisan finger pointing. It will take leadership.
    Now, I've been critical of many of your decisions this year during Covid. I'll admit that. I've agreed with some decisions too. It's important we have these debates. It makes us stronger. It ensures all voices of our state are heard. It's how our process was designed to work. But we need to do it the right way. Blanket, partisan blame is wrong. It simply further divides us and causes more political strife.
    Hatred and violence are wrong, and that's why I've continually denounced it. And I agree, it's time to tone the partisan rhetoric and "the heat down" as you've said. Will you do the same for President Trump? You've arguably been his biggest critic this year in the country. You even fundraised this week off this plot, now making it political, which is sad. Will the Lieutenant Governor do it to the entire Republican Party, of whom are millions of his constituents? This wasn't standing tall. It was cheap. We can do this, but we have to make this decision together. Let's backup our words with actions.
    Please know that I am praying for the good health and constant safety of you and your family. I hope you are of mine too. And I hope you will truly and finally allow us to work together to protect lives and livelihoods of everyone who calls Michigan home. I'm ready. I hope you are too.

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    I hope this wasn't mentioned already..I don't have time to read all the details right now, but I saw a report that this was allegedly a set up by Antifa.

    The truth will come out.

    Your governor is as batty as ours

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pentecali View Post
    Are there a lot of militias in Michigan? I've heard that there are. I'm guessing some are extreme while others are not. I'm starting to hear a lot about the proud boys. They held a rally in Portland a few weeks ago. They must have had 10-15 thousand. I don't think they're extreme like the media says because the crowd looks multi racial and the leader is Latino

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    2 acquitted, jury hung on 2 more in Whitmer kidnap plot

    GRAND RAPIDS, Mich. -- A jury on Friday acquitted two men of all charges in a plot to kidnap Michigan Gov. Gretchen Whitmer but couldn't reach verdicts against the two alleged leaders, a stunning defeat for the government after a weekslong trial that centered on a remarkable FBI sting operation just before the 2020 election.

    The results were announced a few hours after the jury said it was struggling to find unanimity on all 10 charges. The judge on the fifth day of deliberations told the panel to keep working, but jurors emerged again after lunch to say they still were deadlocked on some counts.

    Daniel Harris and Brandon Caserta were found not guilty of conspiracy. In addition, Harris was acquitted of charges related to explosives and a gun.

    The jury could not reach verdicts for Adam Fox and Barry Croft Jr., which means the government can put them on trial again.
    2 acquitted, jury hung on 2 more in Whitmer kidnap plot - ABC News

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    But defense lawyers portrayed the men as credulous weekend warriors prone to big, wild talk and often stoned on marijuana. They said agents and informants tricked and cajoled the men into targeting the governor.

    Harris was the only defendant to testify in his own defense, repeatedly telling jurors "absolutely not" when asked if he had targeted the governor.

    "I think what the FBI did is unconscionable," Caserta's attorney, Michael Hills, said outside court. "And I think the jury just sent them a message loud and clear that these tactics — we're not going to condone what they've done here."

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    We up here are having a big grin about that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FireBrand View Post
    We up here are having a big grin about that.
    A lot of us knows what this was all about...

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