Thread: Calvinist Tactics Exposed

Originally Posted by FireBrand

Good point and is one of the most glaring of Calvin's errors. The elephant in the room is all fine and dandy until it takes an elephant size DUMP.

Originally Posted by Cardinal TT

The above proves you don't understand how the Holy Spirit works in the heart of a sinner and how saving faith is given as a person responds to the gospel?

Other way round, sorry.

Originally Posted by Cardinal TT

The Philippian jailer said ...What must I do to be saved?
Paul responds...Believe in the Lord Jesus Christ and you will be saved.

Exactly because that is the Gospel message.

Originally Posted by Cardinal TT

Paul didn't preach Calvinist doctrine to the jailer.....

Paul didn't preach any doctrine to him, just the Gospel as all good preachers do. Once people are saved though teachers teach the saved doctrine. (Well that's what's supposed to happen).

Originally Posted by Cardinal TT

How dare you think you can do anything, if God chooses you as one of the elect you will have irresistable grace and be saved before believing

TT did you actually watch the videos? That statement again goes to show that you have no understanding of reformed theology.

Originally Posted by FunFromOz

That statement again goes to show that you have no understanding of reformed theology.

I don't need to understand how AIDS attacks human cells but just know it is a horrible disease that people should avoid

Keep posting your false doctrine as it only makes everyone want to avoid Reformed teaching.
Maybe God predestined and ordained you as the one who helps us free will believers reject Calvinism.

BTW I an happy for you to be a part of this forum but you are obsessed with Reformed teaching. IMO the common denominator with many Calvinists is that they LOVE the message of 'election' more than Jesus Christ.

Since people can be Born Again without Jesus in the OT why did God need to send Jesus all he had to do was choose the elect and bingo they are saved

Of course you will say I don't understand Reformed theology but that is exactly what you are saying you only couch it with spiritual sounding terms to disguise the error and deception

This meme by Nikos is brilliant because that is how false doctrine works.
You concentrate on specific verses, take them out of context to the rest of the epistle and the Bible, avoid the majority of scripture and presto you have a new denomination.

Every scripture is now squeezed into the narrow box of Calvinism

FFO
Do you believe God had predestined you to be on this forum to preach your doctrine to us poor, misguided, deluded, free-will schmucks?

Originally Posted by Cardinal TT

The 9 Lies of satan he has used to deceive and spread false doctrine by Calvinists (List is not exhaustive)

1. God doesn't love the whole world he only loves the elect
Have a look through the Bible on what God hates.
There is more to God than love. And it's not the permissive, tolerant "love" the world knows, it a sacrificial love, even to the extent of God sacrificing His own Son for the sins of the world. Remember Jesus said to the Pharisees, you "have neglected the weightier provisions of the law: justice and mercy and faithfulness;". (Matt 23:23). Be sure that doesn't refer to you too.
2. Jesus didn't die for the whole world he only died for the elect
And that is a problem why? He didn't have to die for anyone. You should be on your knees thanking Him that He did die for you otherwise you'd get what you deserve: eternity in hell. And why die for those who He knew would reject Him. And if He's just how can He punish anyone in hell if he's already taken the punishment for their sin?
3. God is not willing all to be saved only the elect
God would like all to be saved but, surprise surprise, He is actually capable of making choices for Himself, and surprise surprise, in spite of your objections actually does, and so has chosen to only save some. Again you should be on your knees thanking Him that He did otherwise you'd get what you deserve: eternity in hell.
4. The sacrifice of Jesus and his resurrection is not as crucial as God choosing you as the elect before he created the earth.
Where did that come from? That is one of the most ridiculous things you've said yet.
5. Israelites in the Old Testament as well as wicked gentiles like the Ninevites were Born Again without Jesus death and resurrection thereby declaring the Holy Spirit doesn't need Jesus death and resurrection to redeem the spirit of sinners.
We went through that before. You didn't seem to pick anything up.
6. Everything humans do have been predetermined by God including the murder and rape of children and becomes God's perfect will.
Humans have a free will and are responsible for what they do. (See if you'd watched the 3 min video I posted yesterday you'd know your statement isn't true)
7. A human does not have the ability to not rape and murder a child if God has predestined it as his perfect will.
Humans have a free will and are responsible for what they do. (See if you'd watched the 3 min video I posted yesterday you'd know your statement isn't true)
8. Millions of Babies will burn in hell for eternity as that is God's will for the non elect.
We all deserve hell. But as God said, "I will have mercy on whom I have mercy". For the third time you should be on your knees thanking Him that He did otherwise you'd get what you deserve: eternity in hell.
9. The Holy Scriptures are best understood through the teaching of John Calvin's book 'Institutes of the Christian Religion' and Christians should reject Free Will and Arminianism.
First bit, no. There's lots of easier to understand teaching around these days.
Second bit, no. We have a free will, we make choices all the time. We are responsible for them.
Third bit, certainly his teaching on the affect of Original Sin, yes

Originally Posted by Cardinal TT

The 9 Lies of satan he has used to deceive and spread false doctrine by Calvinists (List is not exhaustive)

TT, with theology there is a major difference between a person saying that, based on their knowledge and understanding of the Bible and Christian doctrine that they think certain views are incorrect and then being able to provide solid supporting evidence on why they think that; and simply saying something is wrong.

Calling doctrines of the Church that have stood the test of time, and have been ratified by multiple full church councils straight out "Lies of satan" (especially when a lot of your comments are simply emotional and don't include solid Biblical support) puts you at risk of Mark 3:29 does it not?

Originally Posted by FunFromOz

Calling doctrines of the Church that have stood the test of time, and have been ratified by multiple full church councils straight out "Lies of satan" (especially when a lot of your comments are simply emotional and don't include solid Biblical support) puts you at risk of Mark 3:29 does it not?

This proves you are obsessed and deceived.
You take scripture out of context and because I dare disagree with Reformed Theology I am at risk of blaspheming the Holy Spirit

You avoid Calvinist cessationists who are FAR MORE CLOSER to blaspheming the Holy Spirit with their remarks about Charismatics but hone in on my comments


Thanks for the laugh

4. The sacrifice of Jesus and his resurrection is not as crucial as God choosing you as the elect before he created the earth.
Where did that come from? That is one of the most ridiculous things you've said yet.

You previously said God made evil gentile Ninevites Born Again - so they were part of the elect and fully loved by God as his children
If God did this in the OT why the need to send Jesus - he was already saving evil gentile elect

Of course you will have a Reformed answer but to those with common sense and scriptural understanding your theology makes no sense

Also

Jesus said - Out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaks

You and other Calvinists mostly talk about elect, predestination, wrath etc etc etc. - You love these doctrines and are obsessed with them
I don't see you loving as much the doctrine of God's love, Jesus death and resurrection

You and other Calvinists need to own this as it is true to any impartial observer