Thread: Embarrassing Charismatics - to both God and the Church

Originally Posted by Colonel

Since he's talking about his flesh, the experience is the default of the non-Christian (who is nothing but flesh) and also the experience of a Christian who does not live according to the Spirit. It is not the experience of a Christian who crucifies the flesh by the power of the Spirit.

As we are being sanctified how many Christians do you think can do that 100% of the time.

Did not Paul say in Romans 7:15 "I do not understand what I do. For what I want to do I do not do, but what I hate I do"?

Originally Posted by FunFromOz

As we are being sanctified how many Christians do you think can do that 100% of the time.

Anyone is capable of doing that all the time. It doesn't imply "sinless perfection". It implies "putting to death the misdeeds of the body".

Did not Paul say in Romans 7:15 "I do not understand what I do. For what I want to do I do not do, but what I hate I do"?

He's talking about his flesh. The carnal nature, the carnal mind.

Originally Posted by Colonel

He's talking about his flesh. The carnal nature, the carnal mind.

Which still existed in Paul and will in us till we die and are glorified. No?

Originally Posted by FunFromOz

Which still existed in Paul and will in us till we die and are glorified. No?

And it can be crucified in the power of the Spirit. We are fully capable of doing that at all times.

Rom 8:13 For if you live according to the flesh you will die; but if by the Spirit you put to death the deeds of the body, you will live.

Gal 5:24 And those who are Christ's have crucified the flesh with its passions and desires

Originally Posted by Colonel

And it can be crucified in the power of the Spirit. We are fully capable of doing that at all times.

Rom 8:13 For if you live according to the flesh you will die; but if by the Spirit you put to death the deeds of the body, you will live.

Gal 5:24 And those who are Christ's have crucified the flesh with its passions and desires

True, but being capable of doing something and actually doing it are different. If you look at how some Christians speak to and about other Christians you might sometimes wonder how much doing is going on.

Originally Posted by FunFromOz

True, but being capable of doing something and actually doing it are different. If you look at how some Christians speak to and about other Christians you might sometimes wonder how much doing is going on.

It's not applied automatically, that's why we are instructed to actually do so.

Originally Posted by Colonel

It's not applied automatically, that's why we are instructed to actually do so.

So true.

Originally Posted by FunFromOz

As we are being sanctified how many Christians do you think can do that 100% of the time.

Did not Paul say in Romans 7:15 "I do not understand what I do. For what I want to do I do not do, but what I hate I do"?

He is talking of before his conversion....

Originally Posted by LionHeart

He is talking of before his conversion....

Again, as I've said there is not general consensus on that. As one person puts it:



You still sin do you not? So did Paul! But it is not him for with his mind he serves the law of God, but sin that dwells in his flesh.

If this is about pre-conversion why do you still sin?

Literary structure (chiasm, chiasmus) of each pericopes of Epistle to the Romans

Originally Posted by Cardinal TT

It obviously didn't work

but

Why don't you make threads about embarrassing Calvinist/Reformed leaders?

Because there is not enough space on the forum for that list! There is barely enough to list the extreme wing of the Charismatics! Need I say, there is still the need for "Balance" on both sides even though the two groups are not necessarily at odds with each other. The real argument should be between Reformed and Arminian theology, Cessationists vs Continuationists. Even in those arguments, there is not much difference when looked at in the historical church. The big difference is what they have become since they first appeared.