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    Quote Originally Posted by Ezekiel 33 View Post
    Have you checked out the 20 teachings from the PIONEER SCHOOL yet? I have them on our NORMAL CHRISTIANITY page on our website. Great stuff, and it verifies what you just said about how much the church has changed.
    Quote Originally Posted by Ezekiel 33 View Post
    BUMP! Where did everyone go?
    Ya need to give links, some folk are link impaired.

    http://www.fredericfellowship.org/normal-christianity/

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bookman View Post
    I like John Piper. But I go to John Piper to get what he has to give that I need. I also go to John MacArthur for what he has to offer. I do not go to them for teaching on the Holy Spirit. As J. Vernon McGee used to say, "I may graze in other men's pastures, but I give my own milk." I have yet to see or hear the pastor/teacher who has a perfect understanding of all things doctrinal. I believe if I didn't graze in these other pastures, I'd be missing some vital nutritional element in my spiritual diet. I trust the working of the Holy Spirit in my life to sort out the meat from the bones.
    The Apostle Paul apparently wrote other "letters" but they didn't make the cut for Scripture so why we expect others to be 100% correct in everything I don't know.

    Not everyone knows everything about everything and yes it would be nice (and make life easier) if people only wrote about the things they really knew about. But as if that will happen.

    Everyone's different, but I think it takes a maturity in Christ to be willing to read outside of "stuff" you know you'll agree with. If you already agree with it how can you learn any more through it? how can you be challenged? importantly how can the things you've currently got wrong get challenged? (my apologies to those of you who are always right).

    P.S. I'm not there yet, I find it difficult to read stuff that (from experience with the writer) I'm expecting to find I think is hogwash.

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    (my apologies to those of you who are always right).
    Let me be the first to offer you forgiveness.



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    The church has changed all right. Many more sippers today and nonbelievers in tithing. Also the church has become an entertainment center, often just another rock concert. The sermons are an inch deep and a mile wide. We need a revival that will take us back to holiness living before the Lord.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nikos View Post
    The church has changed all right. Many more sippers today and nonbelievers in tithing. Also the church has become an entertainment center, often just another rock concert. The sermons are an inch deep and a mile wide. We need a revival that will take us back to holiness living before the Lord.
    I totally agree with you that we need to get back to personal holiness. We just don't need to steep ourselves in more man-made traditions. Let God's word be true and every man a liar.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FunFromOz View Post
    The Apostle Paul apparently wrote other "letters" but they didn't make the cut for Scripture so why we expect others to be 100% correct in everything I don't know.

    Not everyone knows everything about everything and yes it would be nice (and make life easier) if people only wrote about the things they really knew about. But as if that will happen.

    Everyone's different, but I think it takes a maturity in Christ to be willing to read outside of "stuff" you know you'll agree with. If you already agree with it how can you learn any more through it? how can you be challenged? importantly how can the things you've currently got wrong get challenged? (my apologies to those of you who are always right).

    P.S. I'm not there yet, I find it difficult to read stuff that (from experience with the writer) I'm expecting to find I think is hogwash.
    That's a nice thought, but would you drink a glass of juice if you knew for certain that it had just a little bit of poison in it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ezekiel 33 View Post
    According to Jesus' own teaching, that well is poisoned and you shouldn't drink from it. Everything that both of those false teachers is about is tainted by their false doctrines. Their root is bitter. There is absolutely nothing that either one of them have that you need. John MacArthur is an outright heretic and is blaspheming the Holy Spirit and spreading hatred among the brethren. Jesus didn't speak very favorably about someone who blasphemes the Holy Spirit.

    I am sure that you can find everything you need from reputed full gospel teachers in the body of Christ. When you support these men by purchasing their writings, you are supporting the spreading of their poison.
    Regarding the hatred of the brethren (or at least strong prejudice and disrespect), JM has done considerable damage to good relations between the differing POV. In the early 80's I was in a Christian rock band and we all got along - I was a Baptist and we had a Charismatic bass-player. I knew he looked things differently, but I respected it - I felt like - "OK they are more into the HS - maybe I can learn something."

    In the 80's most of the Fundies seemed to use JMs anti-charismatic books as THE TRUTH (along with its demeaning and "worst-case" examples). This poisoned the minds of many who I believe would have had a more positive and accepting dialogue if not for JMs influence. I have had to correct a few misconceptions to my former Baptist friends who adopted JMs miscontruances as a basis for rejection of the Charismatic movement.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ezekiel 33 View Post
    That's a nice thought, but would you drink a glass of juice if you knew for certain that it had just a little bit of poison in it?
    I don't do juice at the moment but I do drink tea and coffee but then the "caffeine in a normal human diet does not cause illness, but just 50 times this amount could kill you" (http://www.actionbioscience.org/envi...trautmann.html) so yes, depending on the poison and as long as it wasn't enough to immediately hurt me I would and do.

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