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    Quote Originally Posted by Bookman View Post
    Torrey is excellent.
    Hopefully I'll read it today.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FunFromOz View Post
    Disagree (to some extent).

    One of the reasons for the reformation was that the RCC held that it's (ever changing) traditions had as much authority as Scripture. One of the problems non-Charismatics have today is with people saying that their experience has as much authority as Scripture, especially when they can't provide sound scriptural support for the experience, or worse, an exegesis of scripture would seem to disagree with them.
    I can't remember hearing anyone say that their "experience has as much authority as scripture"

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    I can't remember hearing anyone say that their "experience has as much authority as scripture"
    Probably a bit strong, but it was a response to One whom gives witness to an encounter is one that will never be at the mercy of one with an argument.

    It's how eisegesis works. People have an idea and so they read that idea into Scripture.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FunFromOz View Post
    Probably a bit strong, but it was a response to One whom gives witness to an encounter is one that will never be at the mercy of one with an argument.

    It's how eisegesis works. People have an idea and so they read that idea into Scripture.
    An experience, such as receiving the Holy Spirit Baptism is no where close to "an idea". You ask Jesus for it, you receive it (and that mighty Power) with the evidence of speaking in other tongues. Read Jack Deere's book. He is one of your own.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FunFromOz View Post
    Probably a bit strong, but it was a response to One whom gives witness to an encounter is one that will never be at the mercy of one with an argument.

    It's how eisegesis works. People have an idea and so they read that idea into Scripture.
    An experience, such as receiving the Holy Spirit Baptism is no where close to "an idea". You ask Jesus for it, you receive it (and that mighty Power) with the evidence of speaking in other tongues. Read Jack Deere's book. He is one of your own.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FunFromOz View Post
    Probably a bit strong, but it was a response to One whom gives witness to an encounter is one that will never be at the mercy of one with an argument.

    It's how eisegesis works. People have an idea and so they read that idea into Scripture.
    I think the context is Biblical experiences vs people who argue that those experiences have come to an end.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FireBrand View Post
    An experience, such as receiving the Holy Spirit Baptism is no where close to "an idea". You ask Jesus for it, you receive it (and that mighty Power) with the evidence of speaking in other tongues. Read Jack Deere's book. He is one of your own.
    Quote Originally Posted by Colonel View Post
    I think the context is Biblical experiences vs people who argue that those experiences have come to an end.
    I was Baptised in the Spirit 47 years ago without asking for it.

    People are different. And come from different angles. I came from the RCC into a Charismatic Church and was told that there was a second experience called the BHS. And I got something and I equate it with that. Sometime after I'd have had some basic teaching on it.

    Others have been Christians for a while and along come some people saying that this thing which hasn't been seen in the Church for centuries is for today. These people look at where it came from, and what Scripture says, and are not convinced. Some even say it's not for today.

    One thing of concern with those who have issues is the apparent emotion that appears to be a necessary part of it. Torry (whom I'm still reading) said way back in 1895. "The Baptism with the Spirit is not intended to make us happy but to make us effective. We should not look and long for ecstatic experiences, but for power and efficiency for God." (Torrey, R. A.. The Baptism with the Holy Spirit (p. 14). CrossReach Publications. Kindle Edition.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by FunFromOz View Post
    Torry (whom I'm still reading) said way back in 1895. "The Baptism with the Spirit is not intended to make us happy but to make us effective. We should not look and long for ecstatic experiences, but for power and efficiency for God." (Torrey, R. A.. The Baptism with the Holy Spirit (p. 14). CrossReach Publications. Kindle Edition.)

    I agree but if God chooses to give joy, loud praises or laughter with some peoples experience we should accept it
    My experience didn't come with dramatic outward manifestations even though I sensed something inside me and spoke the tongues I received


    Some have very dramatic salvation experiences and non dramatic Baptism of the HS experience
    Some have non dramatic salvation experiences and very dramatic Baptism of the HS experience
    Some have non dramatic salvation experiences and non dramatic Baptism of the HS experience
    Some have very dramatic salvation experiences and very dramatic Baptism of the HS experience

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal TT View Post
    Some have very dramatic salvation experiences and non dramatic Baptism of the HS experience
    Some have non dramatic salvation experiences and very dramatic Baptism of the HS experience
    Some have non dramatic salvation experiences and non dramatic Baptism of the HS experience
    Some have very dramatic salvation experiences and very dramatic Baptism of the HS experience
    True.

    When the line is that one "should" have a dramatic experience and it should be ongoing is where questions are asked.

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