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    Quote Originally Posted by Colonel View Post
    To me election means that God chose Jesus, discarded the rest of us and then we need Jesus or else God is never going to see us as chosen.
    Which differs from
    In the broad sense, election refers to the fact that God chooses (or elects) to do everything that He does in whatever way He best sees fit. When He acts, He does so only because He willfully and independently chooses to act. According to His own nature, predetermined plan, and good pleasure, He decides to do whatever He desires, without pressure or constraint from any outside influence.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FunFromOz View Post
    Yes it is important to know God.

    And we know that God sent Jesus as the Lamb of God who takes away the sins of the world.

    And we need to know how that actually works out in life, because I was at a "church" today where they told their faithful that they were born again and became children of God when they were baptised as a baby.

    Equally evil is telling people that if they repeat a particular form prayer they will be saved.

    The same as telling people that if they are ordained to election they will be regenerated before faith.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal TT View Post
    The same as telling people that if they are ordained to election ....
    No one says that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FunFromOz View Post
    Which differs from
    No it doesn't. God is holy so he elects Jesus since he is worthy and discards the rest since we are unworthy. He can do that, he has done it and it even makes perfect sense.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FunFromOz View Post
    But does that make him wrong on ALL subjects?
    Nope.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fuego View Post
    Nope. What's the gist of it?
    Just the first two minutes will give you the idea. I agree with him.

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