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Thread: STILL CAN'T SUPPORT TRUMP? Mario Murillo

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bookman View Post
    Kingdom matters and political matters often overlap. Are abortion and homosexuality not both kingdom matters and political matters?
    Not sure what your points here .. you yourself chastised us iofr putting our faith in Trump and Politics . Now you are conceding that politics and kingdom overlap


    I believe God still deals with nations. "Blessed is that nation whose God is the Lord" is not just for Israel. The church should be a profound influence on the government.
    Agreed that's why we are voting for Trump and His POLICIES so that the policies that Govern the nation reflect the laws of God



    I never said Trump was a precursor to judgment. He could be...or not. I'm still watching. I pray not. I don't relish the idea of judgment, but as I said above, I believe God deals with nations for their national sins. You can't seriously believe we have no national sins worthy of judgement. And, yes, Trump could be a precursor to revival. That would be awesome. But revival might also come as a result of national judgement. Certainly I pray we move straight into revival instead of judgment, but either way, it will mean widescale repentance for our sins.
    Yes you did.. see your quote below

    Quote Originally Posted by Bookman View Post
    No, I still can't support him. Once again, I'll vote third party. I'll only vote for Trump if the election is close. Trump is dishonest. He spins his excuses to his advantage. He bullies. He's a name-caller. He's not a good man. As for his being a "baby Christian" as James Dobson reported in 2016, I'd counter: isn't it time this baby Christian showed some signs of maturity? His words at the prayer breakfast were totally inappropriate.

    Oh, I don't doubt God elevated him to the presidency. But I fear it's more likely to be a foreshadowing of God's judgment for our many national sins. I appreciate his appointment of conservative justices, but that's about all. If another conservative could or would enter the primaries, I'd eagerly support him or her. If it's Bernie versus Trump, the time will be perfect for the emergence of a strong third party. Both men are unacceptable as president.

    Do I pray for Trump? YES! But I will not vote for him. He's a disgrace to the conservative cause.

    I fear too many Christians are misplacing their faith in Trump. We need PRAYER for America, period!

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    BAP, I said "more likely." Not definitely. If you don't believe we MAY face judgment for our national sins, I hope you're right!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bookman View Post
    BAP, I said "more likely." Not definitely. If you don't believe we MAY face judgment for our national sins, I hope you're right!
    Allowing Hillary Clinton to become president could be seen as a form of judgment.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bookman View Post
    BAP, I said "more likely." Not definitely. If you don't believe we MAY face judgment for our national sins, I hope you're right!
    This is a distinction without a difference . Your 'more likely" was inclined towards judgement rather than towards revival. You have a long list of Trumps sins at your fingertips but you can barely bring yourself to acknowledge the good he has done despite the fact that the good he has done has far more impact than whatever baggage he brings .

    Thoughout the OT you find scriptures that Jewish Kings pleased the Lord to varying degrees and NONE of them pleased the Lord 100% . Point being that when it comes to matters of God's dealings with Nations and Governments the bible doesn't follow the either/or absolute paradigm that you appear to be applying . Trump certainly comes with baggage but on a sliding scale compared to the alternatives its not even close

    Anyway it is what it is . God will use his remnant to achieve his purposes.Whether or not you support Trump , Trump is going to win because as you yourself have noted God's hand is on him

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