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    Quote Originally Posted by Colonel View Post
    God looks to the heart and the man was trying. Then there are people who cannot speak but who can think a prayer.
    I've heard and read Dutch Sheets tell this story. He was going and praying for a woman in a coma every week (he did this for a year and she finally came out of the coma. Deemed a miracle by the doctors). During this time there would be someone else in the room with her from time to time (I assume maybe it was a nursing home type setting).

    He goes in one day and there's another woman in there in a coma also. He noted there was always a radio between the beds playing soft secular music every time he went. So he's praying for the woman he normally prayed for, and the Lord spoke to him about the other woman in a coma and told him something like 'I want you to lead her in salvation'. Well obviously she's in a coma and he's wondering how do I do that? So he goes over to her and basically talks to her about Jesus and prays for her for salvation, and says a 'sinner's prayer' like we are talking about in this thread, and prays it as if she could repeat it after him. He said the exact moment he said 'amen', on the radio (that only ever played secular music) Amazing Grace started playing on bagpipes. Do I believe God saved that woman? Yes. She couldn't speak, but God will meet every person where they are physically. He's certainly not going to deny anyone salvation just because they aren't capable of actually physically speaking.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fuego View Post
    I've heard and read Dutch Sheets tell this story. He was going and praying for a woman in a coma every week (he did this for a year and she finally came out of the coma. Deemed a miracle by the doctors). During this time there would be someone else in the room with her from time to time (I assume maybe it was a nursing home type setting).

    He goes in one day and there's another woman in there in a coma also. He noted there was always a radio between the beds playing soft secular music every time he went. So he's praying for the woman he normally prayed for, and the Lord spoke to him about the other woman in a coma and told him something like 'I want you to lead her in salvation'. Well obviously she's in a coma and he's wondering how do I do that? So he goes over to her and basically talks to her about Jesus and prays for her for salvation, and says a 'sinner's prayer' like we are talking about in this thread, and prays it as if she could repeat it after him. He said the exact moment he said 'amen', on the radio (that only ever played secular music) Amazing Grace started playing on bagpipes. Do I believe God saved that woman? Yes. She couldn't speak, but God will meet every person where they are physically. He's certainly not going to deny anyone salvation just because they aren't capable of actually physically speaking.
    If the message can be communicated to the person in some way then I'm certain that God will accept whatever genuine response that he can discern in them. Faith is basically a heart matter. That's what God wants, someone who wants Him rather than the world.

    "Without faith it's impossible to please God"
    "Their sin is that they do not believe in me"

    There's no condemnation of a lack of baptism in water, nor of a lack of confessing Jesus (just of its opposite, the act of denying or disowning him), but the absence of faith is condemned.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Colonel View Post
    There's baptism in water, baptism in the Holy Spirit (and fire), and there's more :

    1 Cor 12:13 For by one Spirit we were all baptized into one body

    That's the new birth, the Spirit is doing the baptism and it's not for empowering but for being born again. Just like the disciples were on the day of the resurrection per John 20:22.
    Correct!





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    This I say therefore, and testify in the Lord, that ye henceforth walk not as other Gentiles walk, in the vanity (futility) of their mind, having the understanding darkened...
    (Ephesians 4:17-18)

    Blessed is the man that walketh not in the counsel of the ungodly...
    (Psalm 1)

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    Quote Originally Posted by GodismyJudge View Post
    Correct!
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    "laying on of hands" is mentioned too in that list in Hebrews 6. Very useful but not incredibly significant in theological terms.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Colonel View Post
    "laying on of hands" is mentioned too in that list in Hebrews 6. Very useful but not incredibly significant in theological terms.
    I'm not quite sure what you mean by that.





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    (Ephesians 4:17-18)

    Blessed is the man that walketh not in the counsel of the ungodly...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Colonel View Post
    I don't believe that story at all. God looks to the heart and the man was trying. Then there are people who cannot speak but who can think a prayer.

    Acts 10:43 To Him all the prophets witness that, through His name, whoever believes in Him will receive remission of sins."
    44 While Peter was still speaking these words, the Holy Spirit fell upon all those who heard the word.
    45 And those of the circumcision who believed were astonished, as many as came with Peter, because the gift of the Holy Spirit had been poured out on the Gentiles also.
    46 For they heard them speak with tongues and magnify God.

    Believing in Jesus isn't mentioned until verse 43, which is when these people would be able to take up the faith. Immediately they start speaking in tongues while Peter is still speaking and there is no mention of their confessing Jesus as Lord out loud first.
    I never said I believed the story either Colonel. I was merely referring to something I read over 10 years ago.
    One thing for sure, God is willing that none should die lost and go to hell. He will save a soul even at the very end if they call out to Jesus.

    If you put God First, you have Him at Last.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GodismyJudge View Post
    I'm not quite sure what you mean by that.





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    I'm just pointing out that everything in that list isn't equally important.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Colonel View Post
    I'm just pointing out that everything in that list isn't equally important.
    And yet they are the very foundation of the faith. These are the things that Paul says he laid as a wise master builder. They are the very basics that every believer should understand. They are the very basic gospel message:

    Repentance of dead works and faith towards God.

    Baptisms.

    Laying on of hands.

    Resurrection of the dead.

    Eternal Judgement.






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    Quote Originally Posted by Colonel View Post



    The (non-God-fearing) Gentiles in the book of Acts and the various letters weren't as used to the concept of baptism and some like the Corinthians seem to have had a different view of it in the cultural sense. Maybe that is why Paul was a bit more careful with that in relation to the Corinthians whereas the apostles in Jerusalem were huge on public baptisms because it had become very significant in contemporary Jewish culture.

    Brother, Paul wasn't "careful" about preaching the full gospel message to the Corinthians. Please look at Acts 18- verse 8 says
    And many of the Corinthians, hearing, believed and were baptized.
    There is one gospel for both Jew and Gentile. And it contained the same message that Peter preached on the day of Pentecost: "Repent, and let every one of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins; and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. For the promise is to you and to your children, and to all who are afar off, as many as the Lord our God will call."


    There's a reason why baptism in water is mentioned a lot in the gospels and the book of Acts but not very often in the more theological letters. It was very practical but apparently less significant in the theological sense. There's two verses in all of Romans and only a handful of mentions in the other letters if one skips Paul's "I didn't baptize anyone" discussion in 1 Corinthians.
    I believe that reason Colonel is that the foundation was already laid in the missionary journeys. The epistles were letters written to those already saved.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ezekiel 33 View Post
    And yet they are the very foundation of the faith. These are the things that Paul says he laid as a wise master builder. They are the very basics that every believer should understand. They are the very basic gospel message:

    Repentance of dead works and faith towards God.

    Baptisms.

    Laying on of hands.

    Resurrection of the dead.

    Eternal Judgement.
    I admire your ability to take everything extremely literally but could you please explain how the "laying on of hands" is essential to the gospel message ?

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