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    Here's a question, and maybe someone addressed it already...

    Did Jesus ever refer to the "fires of hell?"

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    Here's another question: Are Pentecostals here even aware of all the NT texts that seem to imply the possibility of release from Hell? This question, of course, is relevant to the issue of the literalness of Hell fire.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Berserk View Post
    Here's another question: Are Pentecostals here even aware of all the NT texts that seem to imply the possibility of release from Hell? Thisk question, of course, is relevant to the issue of the literalness of Hell fire.
    Make a list then. If you can come up with something that I cannot recognize from having debated Universalists for thousands of posts 20 years ago then I will be impressed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by A.J. View Post
    Here's a question, and maybe someone addressed it already...

    Did Jesus ever refer to the "fires of hell?"

    (asking for a friend )
    Matthew 5:22
    But I say to you that whoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment. And whoever says to his brother, 'Raca!' shall be in danger of the council. But whoever says, 'You fool!' shall be in danger of hell fire.

    Matthew 18:9
    And if your eye causes you to sin, pluck it out and cast it from you. It is better for you to enter into life with one eye, rather than having two eyes, to be cast into hell fire.

    Mark 9:43
    If your hand causes you to sin, cut it off. It is better for you to enter into life maimed, rather than having two hands, to go to hell, into the fire that shall never be quenched—

    Mark 9:45
    And if your foot causes you to sin, cut it off. It is better for you to enter life lame, rather than having two feet, to be cast into hell, into the fire that shall never be quenched

    Mark 9:47
    And if your eye causes you to sin, pluck it out. It is better for you to enter the kingdom of God with one eye, rather than having two eyes, to be cast into hell fire

    So that would be a yes.

    The word in the Greek translated 'fire' is more accurately translated 'fire'.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fuego View Post
    Matthew 5:22
    But I say to you that whoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment. And whoever says to his brother, 'Raca!' shall be in danger of the council. But whoever says, 'You fool!' shall be in danger of hell fire.

    Matthew 18:9
    And if your eye causes you to sin, pluck it out and cast it from you. It is better for you to enter into life with one eye, rather than having two eyes, to be cast into hell fire.

    Mark 9:43
    If your hand causes you to sin, cut it off. It is better for you to enter into life maimed, rather than having two hands, to go to hell, into the fire that shall never be quenched—

    Mark 9:45
    And if your foot causes you to sin, cut it off. It is better for you to enter life lame, rather than having two feet, to be cast into hell, into the fire that shall never be quenched

    Mark 9:47
    And if your eye causes you to sin, pluck it out. It is better for you to enter the kingdom of God with one eye, rather than having two eyes, to be cast into hell fire

    So that would be a yes.

    The word in the Greek translated 'fire' is more accurately translated 'fire'.
    And there it is. No further argument is necessary.

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    Quote Originally Posted by A.J. View Post
    And there it is. No further argument is necessary.
    That's too simple apparently.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fuego View Post
    That's too simple apparently.
    Yeah ... I mean ... why should we take Jesus at His word?

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    Quote Originally Posted by fuego View Post
    Matthew 5:22
    But I say to you that whoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment. And whoever says to his brother, 'Raca!' shall be in danger of the council. But whoever says, 'You fool!' shall be in danger of hell fire.

    Matthew 18:9
    And if your eye causes you to sin, pluck it out and cast it from you. It is better for you to enter into life with one eye, rather than having two eyes, to be cast into hell fire.

    Mark 9:43
    If your hand causes you to sin, cut it off. It is better for you to enter into life maimed, rather than having two hands, to go to hell, into the fire that shall never be quenched—

    Mark 9:45
    And if your foot causes you to sin, cut it off. It is better for you to enter life lame, rather than having two feet, to be cast into hell, into the fire that shall never be quenched

    Mark 9:47
    And if your eye causes you to sin, pluck it out. It is better for you to enter the kingdom of God with one eye, rather than having two eyes, to be cast into hell fire

    So that would be a yes.

    The word in the Greek translated 'fire' is more accurately translated 'fire'.
    Jesus uses at least two different words that the KJV translates as "hell". The one used throughout the above is Gehenna which was a garbage dump outside Jerusalem where they kept burning the garbage. The other one is Hades which is used among other places in Luke 16 about the rich man and Lazarus.

    An interesting question if Gehenna is used as a metaphor of Hades or of the lake of fire. Since Josephus talks about an unquenchable fire that noone has been cast into yet it seems that Gehenna is used as a metaphor of the lake of fire. Since Hades is cast into the lake of fire along with everyone in it per Rev 20, this matters theologically. The KJV's mistranslation of Hades and Gehenna into the same English word obscures the distinctions.

    The KJV does however differentiate between "hell" and "the lake of fire", which is more than what most people do. Most Christians tend to lump all of them into "hell", both Hades, Gehenna and the lake of fire.

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    I've heard some describe hell as the county jail and the lake of fire as the penitentiary. But the point is the Bible does talk about fire.

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