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Thread: The New Testament Doesn't Say What Most People Think It Does About Heaven

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    N. T. Wright's biblical perspectives on the afterlife are more fully explained in this interesting interview:

    Rethinking Life After Death (NT Wright) - YouTube

    If posters watch the video and want to discuss the many theological points he makes, I will chime in with the points where I agree and disagree with him. Many evangelical scholars consider him the foremost NT scholar. In fact, he is at most considered one of the foremost conservative Christian NT scholars, but is not considered a major NT scholar in the eyes of secular NT scholarship. But exposure to his ideas will likely help readers clarify and sharpen their theological perspectives. For that reason alone, the video is well worth watching.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Berserk View Post
    N. T. Wright's biblical perspectives on the afterlife are more fully explained in this interesting interview:

    Rethinking Life After Death (NT Wright) - YouTube

    If posters watch the video and want to discuss the many theological points he makes, I will chime in with the points where I agree an disagree with him. Many evangelical scholars consider him the foremost NT scholar. In fact, he is at most considered one of the foremost conservative Christian NT scholars, but is not considered a major NT scholar in the eyes of secular NT scholarship. But exposure to his ideas will likely help readers clarify and sharpen their theological perspectives. For that reason alone, the video is well worth watching.
    His statement at about 20 minutes is interesting "Hell is where people are no longer human. They become ex-humans" (my wording from memory).

    Someone's vision of temporarily being present in hell that was linked here a while ago involved that concept, that of ceasing to be human and just being something dead - yet still conscious.

    If the death that could not hold Jesus (Acts 2:24) overcomes everyone else, at least eventually, then everyone in hell ends up being just a dead spirit, perhaps an evil (human) spirit. The kind of valor expressed in hell by the rich man who wants someone to save his family is then at best very temporary. One verse says that "when sin has matured, it gives birth to death". So if that is what happens to people in hell then it's a matter of reaping what one has sowed in this life. The fire of the lake of fire and the wrath of God is a different matter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Femme* View Post
    I just went to, We Don't Know What, (Exactly,) Heaven Will Be

    so, I don't even think much about it.
    We Do know we'll be with Him, and that's enough for me.
    Amen! To be absent from the body is to is to be at home with the Lord (2 Cor 5:8)

    It's a blessing to Know that when I draw my last breath of air in this life, I will immediately enter into eternal life. That is to go into the presence of Jesus.
    If you put God First, you have Him at Last.

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    So could somebody distill what it is we don't understand about what the NT says about heaven as per the article in the OP?

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    Quote Originally Posted by fuego View Post
    So could somebody distill what it is we don't understand about what the NT says about heaven as per the article in the OP?
    From the article I linked to over at Christian Post:
    The point was not for us to 'go to Heaven,' but for the life of Heaven to arrive on Earth," Wright said, .....
    Apparently we aren't going anywhere.

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