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    The USA are the biggest on tipping in the world. The system is a bit crazy. The waiter gets payed but only when the customer bothers to.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Colonel View Post
    The USA are the biggest on tipping in the world. The system is a bit crazy. The waiter gets payed but only when the customer bothers to.
    I have read in certain places in the USA they can make a packet from tipping

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal TT View Post
    I have read in certain places in the USA they can make a packet from tipping
    15-20+ percent off a large bill can be lucrative.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal TT View Post
    I have read in certain places in the USA they can make a packet from tipping
    Definitely. I live in an area that is highly dependent on tourism, business conferences, etc. Plenty of people make a very nice living off of tips.

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    It is a bit more steady for them if they are engaged in catering and large events like banquets and weddings where the tip is built in.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Colonel View Post
    The USA are the biggest on tipping in the world. The system is a bit crazy. The waiter gets payed but only when the customer bothers to.
    Actually, the waiter gets paid either way. If the waiter does not get enough tips to receive the minimum wage, the restaurant is required by law to pay him up to that amount. If you are tipped, most places you also share a % of your tip with the bartender, cook and table busser. I think the rate is around 20%. (Daughter works at a fine restaurant) Tipping allows you to reward excellent service. Most restaurants place a required gratuity on large parties, but most professional servers will waive that because they can do better overall if the customer decides their tip.

    Gratuity is literally gratitude for receiving good service. If the patron honestly feels he did not receive good service, I don't think there should be an obligation to tip, but I think that happens very, very rarely. Our custom is that we tip waitstaff, tips should always be factored into the price, saying you can't afford to tip is NOT an excuse.

    Now, to keep things on topic. I don't think the act of not tipping is a sin, BUT it could indicative of a selfish, greedy person so THAT could be considered sinful. it's also a very bad witness if you come in after church then don't leave a tip, or even worse, just leave a tract!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Susan View Post
    Actually, the waiter gets paid either way. If the waiter does not get enough tips to receive the minimum wage, the restaurant is required by law to pay him up to that amount. If you are tipped, most places you also share a % of your tip with the bartender, cook and table busser. I think the rate is around 20%. (Daughter works at a fine restaurant) Tipping allows you to reward excellent service. Most restaurants place a required gratuity on large parties, but most professional servers will waive that because they can do better overall if the customer decides their tip.

    Gratuity is literally gratitude for receiving good service. If the patron honestly feels he did not receive good service, I don't think there should be an obligation to tip, but I think that happens very, very rarely. Our custom is that we tip waitstaff, tips should always be factored into the price, saying you can't afford to tip is NOT an excuse.

    Now, to keep things on topic. I don't think the act of not tipping is a sin, BUT it could indicative of a selfish, greedy person so THAT could be considered sinful. it's also a very bad witness if you come in after church then don't leave a tip, or even worse, just leave a tract!
    Customs on who to tip and how much varies wildly from country to country. In some places only the finest restaurants expect a tip at all. To me tipping makes sense if it is for excellent service rather than average service, not as something built into the system. But one tries to keep up with local customs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Colonel View Post
    15-20+ percent off a large bill can be lucrative.
    Our rules for tipping. Minimum is 20%, if we buy a "kids" meal, we tip the cost of an adult meal because we feel the waitstaff has to work harder (bigger mess to clean up) If we go out to watch a game, we tip 30% or more, since we are taking her table for longer (I only ever have 1 drink and an appetizer so it's not a huge bill) Again, tips ALWAYS factor in the cost of going out. Also, when a waiter gets part of the meal comped, we split the difference with them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Colonel View Post
    Customs on who to tip and how much varies wildly from country to country. In some places only the finest restaurants expect a tip at all. To me tipping makes sense if it is for excellent service rather than average service, not as something built into the system. But one tries to keep up with local customs.
    I actually like tipping. I really like to reward people for good work and tipping gives me that opportunity to do that in a tangible way.

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    I have purposely left no tip a couple times over the years because of absolutely bad service. It is always with the hope that the waiter/waitress will ponder "Why?" they didn't receive a tip and maybe start giving better service.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ezekiel 33 View Post
    I have purposely left no tip a couple times over the years because of absolutely bad service. It is always with the hope that the waiter/waitress will ponder "Why?" they didn't receive a tip and maybe start giving better service.
    We have had to do the same on probably 2 or 3 occasions to send a message to the angry, rude and neglectful waitresses. My wife is very kind and perceptive in human behavior is the one that prompted those decisions and spanning 40+yrs of marriage. But really, a sin? John Burton I know personally from 10yrs ago, can push his zeal a bit toward the edge. This is one of such occasions.

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