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Originally Posted by
fuego
And of strokes also.
Funny you should bring this up. Just earlier today I was asking the Holy Spirit how a man like Lake, who believed so strongly in healing, and if the story is true about them putting the plague germs in his hand and then looking under a microscope and they had died (so seemingly proof of a strong faith for his own walking in divine life, not only just healing for others), how a man like that could die of strokes. I realize nobody is perfect, but I'd still like to know how that comes about.
The reason I bring up the detail about the plague and 'divine life' is I totally can understand how someone who walks in the power of God for healing for others could have a weak faith or no faith for themselves to be healed and die of sickness, disease, etc. But Lake seemed to also be in faith for his own healing and walking in 'divine life' for himself.
Dowie didn't smoke or drink alcohol but passive smoking and general pollution reduced the life span of a lot of people 100 years ago. I find it interesting that Morris Cerullo got very sick during his early eighties, then he was miraculously healed and he's still preaching in his late eighties. That I remember, Lake was healed from blindness during his later years. Maybe something happened after that, there is a story about his allegedly pretending to be an Arab healer in order to make money from a meeting and survive the great depression years, I'm not sure if it's true or not.
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Originally Posted by
fuego
And of strokes also.
Funny you should bring this up. Just earlier today I was asking the Holy Spirit how a man like Lake, who believed so strongly in healing, and if the story is true about them putting the plague germs in his hand and then looking under a microscope and they had died (so seemingly proof of a strong faith for his own walking in divine life, not only just healing for others), how a man like that could die of strokes. I realize nobody is perfect, but I'd still like to know how that comes about.
The reason I bring up the detail about the plague and 'divine life' is I totally can understand how someone who walks in the power of God for healing for others could have a weak faith or no faith for themselves to be healed and die of sickness, disease, etc. But Lake seemed to also be in faith for his own healing and walking in 'divine life' for himself.
I have one of Lake’s books (his sermons and studies etc) and he said that one that has gifts of healing may have not seen healing for their own illness and in that case rely on the simple (yet effective) prayer of faith according to Ja 5:15.
Buy you folks already knew that.
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Originally Posted by
FireBrand
I have one of Lake’s books (his sermons and studies etc) and he said that one that has gifts of healing may have not seen healing for their own illness and in that case rely on the simple (yet effective) prayer of faith according to Ja 5:15.
Buy you folks already knew that.
God rescued me from a potentially fatal car crash in 2010 in a very miraculous manner by the operation of the gift of faith. But I've never heard of anyone using the gifts of healing on themselves.
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IMO many preachers today live longer because we have better health and medicine available. It's very possible that if today's preachers lived 50-100 years ago they would of died earlier
Also preachers like Lake who lived to 65 would be diagnosed with potential issues and treated accordingly and live another 20 years
There are very few like Wigglesworth who was able to walk in divine heath without any medical intervention
I knew a elderly brother from our church who died in his early 90's. He walked in amazing health and had not seen a doctor for many decades. He came to me in prayer discouraged when he was in his 80's. He went to the doctor and felt he failed God because elderly were getting the flu and he felt some early symptoms so he booked an appointment.
After he booked the Holy Spirit said to him - You didn't have to do that. The doctor cleared him from having any sickness
So he told me the story and felt he grieved God - but I thought it was a cool story of how God had given him incredible faith to walk in divine health
He was not a minister or someone the church would call a 'great' man of God but a simple, dedicated, caring, honest man who loved God and wanted to please him
In heaven he will be commended above many of the 'greats'
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Originally Posted by
Cardinal TT
IMO many preachers today live longer because we have better health and medicine available. It's very possible that if today's preachers lived 50-100 years ago they would of died earlier
Also preachers like Lake who lived to 65 would be diagnosed with potential issues and treated accordingly and live another 20 years
There are very few like Wigglesworth who was able to walk in divine heath without any medical intervention
You could be right about the time they lived thing. But then again it wouldn't have helped Lake because I think he had devoted his body to God and wouldn't deliberately take medicine, etc. Same with Wigglesworth. I think he vowed a surgical knife would never touch his body, etc. As a matter of fact when he died they didn't do an autopsy, so it was true in his death too. But he did have severe kidney stones for several years and passed them constantly. But never went to a dr. for it.
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Originally Posted by
fuego
You could be right about the time they lived thing. But then again it wouldn't have helped Lake because I think he had devoted his body to God and wouldn't deliberately take medicine, etc. Same with Wigglesworth. I think he vowed a surgical knife would never touch his body, etc. As a matter of fact when he died they didn't do an autopsy, so it was true in his death too. But he did have severe kidney stones for several years and passed them constantly. But never went to a dr. for it.
To add to this, in 2003 I got a kidney stone and emailed Michael Brown to pray for me (I 'worked' for him at the time). He said this is interesting, I just preached on Wigglesworth this week up in NY and talked about his kidney stones. I said thank God you weren't preaching on Job.
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Originally Posted by
Colonel
God rescued me from a potentially fatal car crash in 2010 in a very miraculous manner by the operation of the gift of faith. But I've never heard of anyone using the gifts of healing on themselves.
Right. I think that’s what Lake talked about in that context. It’s been 10 years, I may reread that.
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Originally Posted by
FireBrand
Right. I think that’s what Lake talked about in that context. It’s been 10 years, I may reread that.
What you wrote Lake said had nothing to do with using the gifts of himself. He said the 'simple PRAYER of faith', correct? Or did I miss what Colonel was talking about.
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Originally Posted by
fuego
To add to this, in 2003 I got a kidney stone and emailed Michael Brown to pray for me (I 'worked' for him at the time). He said this is interesting, I just preached on Wigglesworth this week up in NY and talked about his kidney stones. I said thank God you weren't preaching on Job.
Or Jonah swallowed by the whale
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Originally Posted by
fuego
What you wrote Lake said had nothing to do with using the gifts of himself. He said the 'simple PRAYER of faith', correct? Or did I miss what Colonel was talking about.
I've never heard anyone claim to be able to use a gift of healing on themselves, including Lake. It doesn't explicitly say that it cannot be used like that in the Bible though. I know people prophecy to themselves and interpret their own tongues all the time. And receive supernatural knowledge that blesses themselves rather than others.
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