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    Quote Originally Posted by Quest View Post
    In reading the article you posted it seems God is no longer the center. I recall during the high point of the Charismatic movement there was a huge emphasis on self. As I have personally been really seeking the Lord on this delima, God has been restoring my sense of humility by reminding me that NOTHING given to me has EVER been deserved. The phrase 'I/you deserve it' has become common in our culture.
    I lean toward believing during the WOF Charismatic movement an independent spirit entered the body of Christ..a sense of entitlement that has pushed back true humility..The reverential fear of God has been replaced by something we call 'relationship' but is actually pride.

    We can come boldly to the throne of mercy to find grace...as long as we REMEMBER accurately we come always through the blood and never through our own self worth.

    Becoming humble is a decision but the actually melting of our hearts is done by HIM. We cannot FIX what is wrong any more than we could save ourselves when we were lost...

    The faith movement NOSE DIVED...I thought about this the other day..it was like a pendulum that swung from one side all the way to the other...

    I think our pastor nailed it yesterday...God is no longer the center of our world, WE are..

    I LEFT the WOF movement because God helped me realize my own heart had shifted...I believe there are many who have not realized that and are still pushing for the perfect theology that will restore the power of God..and the truth is, it's idolatry...

    IMHO the answer is simple...If MY people who are called by MY Name will humble themselves and pray and seek My face and turn from their wicked ways I will ...

    Both the WOF movement and the Charismatic movement, like all of God's movements, got twisted from GOD centered to man centered and like a balloon that encounters a hole...it fell to the ground.

    When our faith is in what we know and not WHO we KNOW..we are in trouble.
    Being consecrated in having plenty can be harder than being consecrated in having need. Paul sought to be both. Losing consecration in having plenty means that something else than God's kingdom and his righteousness is being sought first and the storerooms of heaven aren't open any longer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Colonel View Post
    Being consecrated in having plenty can be harder than being consecrated in having need. Paul sought to be both. Losing consecration in having plenty means that something else than God's kingdom and his righteousness is being sought first and the storerooms of heaven aren't open any longer.
    Yep...the thing that makes this deceptive is when we are seeking the 'things of God' so some would ask, how can that EVER be wrong?
    Face to face encounters 'kill us'. They expose our true self and God's true self. If we subtly want the things of God, His power and provision and even the work of the ministry but want to skirt around that death process...He says no...

    So many ministries start out with the power of God and then gradually shift to man centered..then hype replaces power...and eventually the whole thing is contaminated. It might be BIG and wealthy and yet really be rotten at the core...

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    Quote Originally Posted by victoryword View Post
    I read most of the stuff so far and really don't have a problem with it. As a matter of fact, it made me want to do inventory of myself and also answers some my questions as to why the faith movement has waned so significantly over the past 20 years.
    Kinda made me think the same way. I really started examining myself too.

    2 Corinthians 13:5
    Examine yourselves, whether ye be in the faith; prove your own selves. Know ye not your own selves, how that Jesus Christ is in you, except ye be reprobates?

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    The prophet is only confirming what many already know. You'd have to have your head in the sand to not pick up on the greed, self exaltation, wrongly focused ministry of money and materialism.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LionHeart View Post
    I admire John Hamel for taking on the big names and not backing down. Most of us older WOF followers can clearly see the scriptural errors in the prosperity message. But they keep banging away year after year taking in millions in the process.It will take one of the biggies going to jail before we would see any real repentance (or Holy fear) from them.
    God said in the end times He would allow deception to come, so I doubt very seriously that He is going to judge anyone since He is interested in people that put Him first and foremost in their lives rather than making idols out of TV preachers.



    Quote Originally Posted by CatchyUsername View Post
    The reason JPJ is dead is probably because radiation treatments for cancer make cancer cells 30 times more malignant (and aggressive).
    Yes, we are seeing more and more Christians that choose to go medical... die early.

    The arm of the flesh is not profitable.


    Quote Originally Posted by LionHeart View Post
    I see him as an Ezekiel 33 prophet and would listen to anything he had to say to me personally. I think John Hamel considers the cancer itself as a judgement from God ?
    God's judgement is simply... what you sow is what you reap.

    If you sow to the flesh you shall reap corruption (see Gal 6:7,8)

    JPJ decided to not stand on God's promises concerning health and go with pharmakia instead and he rapidly reaped the failure that the arm of the flesh provides.



    Quote Originally Posted by LionHeart View Post
    But three years ago I was abusing prescription drugs for back/neck pain. I received 2 strong prophetic warnings that my life was going to be cut off if I did not repent and get free from the medications. I did with God's help.
    Good move... God did say those that practice drunkenness (intoxication) would not inherit the Kingdom of God (Galatians 5:21)


    Quote Originally Posted by Colonel View Post
    I do not believe that God would step in to kill you for abusing prescription drugs.
    Your right... but God says what we sow is what we reap so He's going to allow bad seed to produce evil fruit if we persist in wong doing.


    Quote Originally Posted by CatchyUsername View Post
    The dude you are talking about here is off the reservation, and the fact that he relates all of these stories online, giving enough details to give away who he is referencing, is one of the most unChristlike things I've seen in a prophetic minister.
    Yep, this dude and the Apostle Paul... who also named names!

    Paul came right out and named a few folks... at least this guy didn't come right out and name them, did he?


    Quote Originally Posted by LionHeart View Post
    If I got a cancer report I would ask God why ? I would hound Him until He told me.
    And God would ask you what are you doing down at the doctors office letting them poke around on you to see if they can find some sickness and disease that they can make some money off of.

    If a person truly believes God's promises concerning health, WHY would they open the door to the enemy by demonstrating that they in fact do not believe God's promises... which is why they went to the doctor cause they were curious if they had something.

    Don't know 'bout you folks, but I have health cause Jesus paid for me to have it... so why in the world would I want to go to the doctor? If I did feel something not right in my body, I would do what Jesus said in Mark 11:23,24 based on the promises God's Word gives concerning my RIGHT to be healthy. Jesus purchased that for me, so that's what I have.



    Quote Originally Posted by CatchyUsername View Post
    People die all the time from lack of wisdom, not necessarily from "judgement".
    Yes, and they also die early from simply not believing God's Word. Just cause they know it, does not mean they actually believe it enough to act as though it is absolutely true.

    Jesus said we must be converted and become like little children (Matthew 18:3)... little children accept and agree with what their parents tell them wholeheartedly. Many Christians get away from this after they get born-again.



    Quote Originally Posted by CatchyUsername View Post
    if a minister decides to undergo conventional medicine, they are being set up for a recurrence. That is precisely what happened to Steve Hill, JPJ, and many others.
    Jesus did say in Mark 4:14-20 that affliction and the cares of this world would choke God's Word so it becomes un-fruitful.

    They received the affliction and I'd imagine everyone around them counseled them to go to the doctor... and satan smiled.



    Quote Originally Posted by LionHeart View Post
    For if you eat the bread or drink the cup without honoring the body of Christ, you are eating and drinking God’s judgment upon yourself. 30 That is why many of you are weak and sick and some have even died.
    And God's judgement is... allowing us to reap what we sow.

    Good judgement is when we sow to the Spirit (being led by the Word and the Holy Ghost) - we reap zoe life.
    Bad judgement is when we sow to the flesh (NOT being led by the Word and the Holy Ghost) - we reap corruption.

    Read Galatians 6:7,8

    Quote Originally Posted by curly sue View Post
    The people are making celebrities out of too many men and women.
    God has a word for that... idolatry!


    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal TT View Post
    I prophesy the sun will rise in the morning...100% accuracy
    Actually... your prophesy is already proven to be wrong because the sun isn't moving, the earth is so the earth is simply going to spin around so the sun shines on it where you are without the sun moving at all so it's not rising anywheres.

    Just sayin



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    Don't say that! You might jinx it!
    I doubt Elvis he practices witchcraft...


    Quote Originally Posted by fuego View Post
    It's insane how nobody wants to bring correction where it's really needed.
    That's cause the extreme grace teaching is that... God does not correct anyone after they get saved.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fuego View Post
    It's insane how nobody wants to bring correction where it's really needed.
    Quote Originally Posted by Farm Truck View Post
    That's cause the extreme grace teaching is that... God does not correct anyone after they get saved.
    Well that's true for sure, but in the specific instance I was talking about and in a lot of these, it seems it's just the 'good ole boy network' among ministers. Just overlooking it for their own gain.

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    Just sharing my opinion... not doing anything different than anyone else.

    With the holidays coming, I have a little extra time off from work so I thought I'd throw a few replies out.

    Yes, the 'good ole boy network' is still alive and well... they had it back in Jesus' day, and they have it today.

    Down south they quote that scripture - "thar ain't nuthin knew under tha sun"

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    Quote Originally Posted by LionHeart View Post
    So all this buffoonery allowed in my serious thread ?
    If you would like your thread cleaned up, please use the "Report Post" feature. Many threads go sideways after a bit but we don't get excited about it unless someone reports it.

    Tithing and Booze are two exceptions to that because "certain posters" were bringing those them into every thread so Krys had to make a "spoken rule" about those two issues. They were derailing far too many threads.


    *Edited to say that I moved some off topic posts into a new thread here:

    http://livingfaithforum.com/forum/sh...n-Thread/page2
    Last edited by krystian; 11-03-2015 at 12:17 PM. Reason: moved some posts

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    Getting back to the OP

    IMO its time leaders were challenged with some tough words if they are pastoring, leading and abusing their position and it also includes some sheep that act more like wolves

    We all need...including me some tough love from the Holy Spirit

    The previous church I was involved in leadership as well as preaching and the senior pastor got offended with what I preached and stopped using me.
    He was failing in his position as pastor...he wasn't sinning but he was holding back the church and was leading from the natural. He ended up resigning which was the best thing for the church

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