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    Quote Originally Posted by curly sue View Post
    When did the Great Tribulation end if it started in AD 70. Are we now in the millennial reign? I assume there is no rapture at all as no one is mentioning it?
    The great tribulation has been ongoing, in phases just like birth pangs. A study of world history reveals this.

    The first century church were used as human torches by the Romans, and fed to the beasts as a spectacle. The birth of the anti-christ religion of islam brought about a whole new phase of tribulation. The entire region surrounding Israel, including North Africa had accepted Christianity by the time muhammad was inspired by demons to start his new false religion. Millions were killed, many more were enslaved, and some were regarded as second class citizens because they didn't convert. Watch the interactive map on this video to see what happened as the cancer of the anti-christ religion spread: Why We Are Afraid, A 1400 Year Secret, by Dr Bill Warner - YouTube


    Then we have WWI and WWII. We have all the shenanigans still going on in Africa today due to islam. Everywhere islam went, classical civilization was destroyed and replaced with poverty and persecution.

    Look around the world today at all that is happening. And there is more to come.

    But we really have nothing to fear, because the first death only takes us into eternity. The second death has no claim on us.

    The Rapture of the church is a biblical fact. The Pre-Tribulation Rapture of the church is a theory, and one that does not line up with scripture. It didn't even come to the American church until the 1800s.

    The apostle Paul taught that we ought to be watching for the return of Jesus. 2 Thessalonians chapter 1 makes it pretty clear:


    7 and to give you who are troubled rest with us when the Lord Jesus is revealed from heaven with His mighty angels, 8 in flaming fire taking vengeance on those who do not know God, and on those who do not obey the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ. 9 These shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord and from the glory of His power, 10 when He comes, in that Day, to be glorified in His saints and to be admired among all those who believe, because our testimony among you was believed.

    If there were a secret rapture before the day of the Lord, then what believers would be here to admire Him "when He comes in that Day"???


    Furthermore, study out the parables of Jesus. It is the wicked who are gathered out from among the righteous. The tares will be separated from the wheat.
    The bad fish will be separated from the good fish.

    Millions of Christians throughout the centuries have already suffered tribulation worse than anything you or I can imagine. Just because it has not come to the American church yet does not mean that it will not. Our nation is secretly being filled with the anti-christ religion of islam right now. Ilhan Ohmar is just a sample of what is coming. They will populate to the point that they hold the majority in government. Sharia law will be passed as the law of the land, leaving behind the US Constitution. And then great tribulation will come to the American church.

    Our forefathers would have never allowed islam into our country. Here is a short version of our first encounter with islam: Thomas Jefferson and the Tripoli Pirates - Brian Kilmeade - YouTube

    Here is a more thorough version. This one explains why Thomas Jefferson had the quran printed in english: Early Muslim Extremists In American History - YouTube

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    Thanks for your response, Ez! I'm sure the answers to my questions were somewhere in this long thread but I just couldn't read through it again right now.

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    Brother Nikos, please talk about the scriptures and what they are saying to you about the tribulation and the rapture.

    We already know what the popular teachers are saying. Spamming the thread with other's thoughts on the scriptures means nothing to anyone.

    We want to actually know your thoughts in your own words from your own reading of the scriptures.

    Please expound with your own thoughts. God bless.

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    I am a pre-tribulationist. It is a viewpoint. This is NOT a salvation issue. I have explained it. Since I started this thread, I thought I would offer references on this particular view. Thus a good thread of reference for further study for those who are interested in the true biblical view-PRETRIB RAPTURE!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ezekiel 33 View Post
    Brother Nikos, please talk about the scriptures and what they are saying to you about the tribulation and the rapture.

    We already know what the popular teachers are saying. Spamming the thread with other's thoughts on the scriptures means nothing to anyone.

    We want to actually know your thoughts in your own words from your own reading of the scriptures.

    Please expound with your own thoughts. God bless.
    I appreciate your words... concise and well laid out.

    I would like to believe that the US Constitution will stand, and that we are not too late. I believe that what the enemy meant to harm the world (COVID) actually turned the tide. Instead of just sitting in fear and isolation, many of us took time and looked at our personal lives, repented of our many sins that we partook in, and turned our homes into the presence of God by worshiping, praying and interacting with the Spirit of God, the Comforter. Even now as many governors' evil agenda is exposed, many churches are learning firsthand that Jesus Christ is Lord of the Church, not the government of the land. Worshippers have been gathering throughout the land: Sean Feucht is just one example, I'm sure. Even at our church, the level of worship is off the hook as we have seen the enemy and will fight him with our praise and worship while we have breath. So, I stand and pray that the force of Islamic law will dissipate in the US, and indeed, throughout the world, even at the end of this present age.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nikos View Post
    I am a pre-tribulationist. It is a viewpoint. This is NOT a salvation issue. I have explained it. Since I started this thread, I thought I would offer references on this particular view. Thus a good thread of reference for further study for those who are interested in the true biblical view-PRETRIB RAPTURE!
    Shouldn't you say, "Thus a good thread of reference for further study for those who are interested in ONE of the biblical views-PRETRIB RAPTURE!"?

    You see Prov 18:17 says "The first to plead his case seems right, Until another comes and examines him", so in presenting the case for something Scripturally, and particularly something that is mostly inferred, mostly speculation even, should we not also present the other people's cases as well and show why ours is stronger?

    Linked here is a book where "Each author provides a substantive explanation of his position, which is critiqued by the other two authors". (Not that I'm interested enough in the topic to buy it).

    Three Views on the Rapture: Pretribulation, Prewrath, or Posttribulation: Blaising, Craig A.: Amazon.com.au: Books

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