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    Quote Originally Posted by fuego View Post
    VW was just using that to show that parents sought it out in those two cases...
    ...and those who say 'no' use those verses as a qualifier to say that that's the only way it can happen since verses without parental permission seem not to exist.


    Quote Originally Posted by victoryword View Post
    BTW, I think you and I may have seen the same discussion on Facebook because as soon as I saw your thread it brought me back to an argument I saw on FB with some of our mutual friends yesterday
    LOL...you made me look. But the page I saw it on had no comments at all so they must have only shared that post from the original source.

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    At this point I am going say "I don't know". Every deliverance that I have participated in that involved a child it was usually because the parent brought the child to me. For example, we have a boy in our church right now, about ten years old. A couple of years ago he was exhibiting bad behavior, having trouble in school and all that jazz. We commanded the devil to loose him and let him go when his mother brought him up for an altar call. Nothing dramatic happened during this deliverance but I definitely noticed an immediate miraculous change.

    Now the boy at his young age always wants to be at church AND Bible study. Last Sunday I was wearing an "I love Jesus" cap and he comes to me and says, "Pastor, I want one of those." I gave him mine. I asked him if he liked it. The boy said, "I don't like it-I LOVE IT!!!" Also, because of his godly behavior we are now calling him "Pastor"

    But again, most kids I pray for, especially if it pertains to deliverance, are those brought to me by a parent, grand-parent or guardian.
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    Quote Originally Posted by krystian View Post
    LOL...you made me look. But the page I saw it on had no comments at all so they must have only shared that post from the original source.
    Okay, then it wasn't the same thing. I cannot fully recall but someone was binding the devil over a child on FB and someone else corrected them by saying you can't do that without the parent's permission and then the argument ensued.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fuego View Post
    Here's one. The widow at Nain. Jesus had compassion on the mother and raised the kid from the dead. He didn't ask permission, he just did it due to his compassion.
    I thought about that one earlier and from a standpoint of PRINCIPLE it is could support your perspective. Now, if I were only out to win the argument I could point out two things:
    1. This was a raising from the dead, NOT a deliverance.

    2. Verse 14 of Luke 7 could imply some consent, at least by the people with the boy: "And he came and touched the bier: and they that bare him stood still. And he said, Young man, I say unto thee, Arise."

    But, of course, I am not trying to win an argument (or am I? The heart is deceitful above all things )

    All kidding aside, that Scripture does make a good case for your position but how would you address those two objections above?
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    Quote Originally Posted by krystian View Post
    ...and those who say 'no' use those verses as a qualifier to say that that's the only way it can happen since verses without parental permission seem not to exist.
    And they would be wrong because it doesn't even address that. It's just people that brought their kids to Jesus for deliverance. It doesn't speak to the parental permission thing at all.

    Again, if Jesus had come across these cases without the parents being there I can't see Him not delivering them.

    All kidding aside, that Scripture does make a good case for your position but how would you address those two objections above?
    Answer above. They aren't objections. They don't even speak to the issue at all. It's just two cases where parents brought their kids. To use it to teach 'parental permission', etc, one would have to read into it.

    And to say it's a dead raising and not deliverance it to pick nits. The fact is it's Jesus taking responsibility and use His authority to exercise His power in a situation that needs it regardless of whether it's a deliverance, raising someone from the dead, healing, etc.

    In full disclosure, I am one that think a lot of people take this 'covering' thing too far in a lot of their teaching. So that doesn't even enter the situation for me. Whatever they need, we're authorized to administer the power of God. When Jesus commissioned his disciples (and us) he gave them authority without any qualifications. He didn't even tell them they had to pray about who to minister to. Heal the sick, raise the dead, cast out devils, etc. Just do it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by victoryword View Post
    Okay, then it wasn't the same thing. I cannot fully recall but someone was binding the devil over a child on FB and someone else corrected them by saying you can't do that without the parent's permission and then the argument ensued.
    Funny how these "can't do that" people pop up everywhere. It's confirmation that you CAN.

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    It's one of those question that doesn't have a yes or no answer but vary with different scenarios

    There is obviously God's power at work which can penetrate the toughest problems but even Jesus marveled at unbelief and it stopped people getting healed
    Jesus challenged the father of a demon possessed boy - IF you can believe....

    Even though covering authority has been abused there is still biblical truth involved - a parents unbelief could hinder God's power at work

    Things obviously can hinder God working in Mark 8:22-25 Jesus had to pray twice for a blind man - we know it can't be Jesus' power or faith that needed two prayers


    What if a satanist wants his 5 year old to have a demon can a believer cast it out

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    Quote Originally Posted by victoryword View Post
    I cannot fully recall but someone was binding the devil over a child on FB and someone else corrected them by saying you can't do that without the parent's permission and then the argument ensued.
    Actually if the implication is that parental authority trumps spiritual authority then that would be broad spectrum to include not only casting out demons but also raising a child from the dead and healings too, right? So do we any scripture where a child was healed without parental permission?

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    It's easy to know or ascertain that a child is dead or physically sick and everyone including the parent will be happy if the child is made alive or well again. That's not necessarily the case with demons. You might make a mistake and try to cast out a demon that isn't there. Or the effect of casting it out may be unnoticeable if the problem is one of the mind. If the child reacts heavily then that may not make things any better if the positive result isn't self apparent. In Denmark you can be charged with psychological violence against children for doing that. If it's your own children then the authorities might remove them and relocate them to an other family.

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    Quote Originally Posted by krystian View Post
    Actually if the implication is that parental authority trumps spiritual authority then that would be broad spectrum to include not only casting out demons but also raising a child from the dead and healings too, right? So do we any scripture where a child was healed without parental permission?
    We don't have any where they were healed with 'parental permission' other than the fact a few parents brought their children to Jesus. I think we're pulling a subject out of it that it's not really addressing. In one sense am I giving you 'permission' because I am the parent and I brought them? Yes. But it has nothing to do with permission per se, they just wanted their kids healed.

    Again, dead boy at Nain, Jesus didn't ask permission. He just did it because He had compassion on the mother.

    And to bring up another side of this, the woman with the issue of blood got healed without Jesus' 'permission'. She just drew/took it out of Him with her faith without Him being aware it was going to happen. His 'WHO touched Me?' was not a rhetorical question. He didn't know and wanted to know who it was.

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