Witcher, who describes himself as a believer in Christ who still speaks with tongues from his background in the Pentecostal church, said the Scripture has "haunted me" and agreed that they were both still working on getting up to Jesus' level.
"My background in Pentecostalism really set me up on a good foundation. We had tools. We did anointing oils, prayer shawls, demonology was taught very regularly at least in my circles. So those conversations were not weird. We talked on the gifts of the spirit ... going into magic was a very easy segue. ... The only thing it did was expand that particular power outside that particular practice," he said of his full entry into the realm of magic.
Among the rituals he and his community have conducted he said are "money magic" and "warding of entities that we don't necessarily want to work with at that particular time.
Love said she believes that "it's only natural" for Christianity and witchcraft to be integrated while Witcher argues that church leaders teach against it to keep people as "slaves."
"The interesting thing is, most of the time when people come against magic, sorcery, mysticism, the occult, you name it, the new age community ... they are not really coming against the Bible because the Bible honestly doesn't teach that when you understand it and break it down," he said. "The Bible is not against magic. The Bible is a magic book. The Bible is a grimoire, hands down."
He argued that for people to fully appreciate the power of John 14: 12, they need to understand mysticism which is "simply just absorption with the divine."