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    Colonel does bring up an interesting point though. I should probably start another thread with this topic.

    For instance, everything in the Bible is true as in it is truly stated. But not everything in the Bible is true. For instance, what was said to Job in the first post is truly stated, and it does line up with scripture, but it possibly wasn't true where Job was concerned.

    But I'm bringing this up about Job. Job said, 'The Lord gives and the Lord takes away, blessed be the name of the Lord'. Is that truly recorded and truly stated? Yes, Job said that. But is that really scriptural? Was Job inspired when he said that? I personally don't believe so. There is no context that shows he was inspired by the Holy Spirit to say that as far as I can tell. So a lot of bad theology comes from that statement even though it is in the Bible, but it's not inspired.

    The NT says the thief comes to steal, kill, and destroy. But Jesus has come so we can have the abundant life. It also says every good and perfect gift comes from above. And other scriptures that would contradict what Job said in his limited knowledge of God. I'm sure there's more but that's the two that come to me off the top of my head.

    So again, we have to watch what we attribute to being an inspired statement, especially in the OT. So much bad theology comes from things like that, and a lot of bad theology comes from our pain, trying to have an explanation for it that basically comes from our own reasonings, and not the scriptures.

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    Colonel does bring up an interesting point though. I should probably start another thread with this topic.

    For instance, everything in the Bible is true as in it is truly stated. But not everything in the Bible is true. For instance, what was said to Job in the first post is truly stated, and it does line up with scripture, but it possibly wasn't true where Job was concerned.

    But I'm bringing this up about Job. Job said, 'The Lord gives and the Lord takes away, blessed be the name of the Lord'. Is that truly recorded and truly stated? Yes, Job said that. But is that really scriptural? Was Job inspired when he said that? I personally don't believe so. There is no context that shows he was inspired by the Holy Spirit to say that as far as I can tell. So a lot of bad theology comes from that statement even though it is in the Bible, but it's not inspired.

    The NT says the thief comes to steal, kill, and destroy. But Jesus has come so we can have the abundant life. It also says every good and perfect gift comes from above. And other scriptures that would contradict what Job said in his limited knowledge of God. I'm sure there's more but that's the two that come to me off the top of my head.

    So again, we have to watch what we attribute to being an inspired statement, especially in the OT. So much bad theology comes from things like that, and a lot of bad theology comes from our pain, trying to have an explanation for it that basically comes from our own reasonings, and not the scriptures.
    I recall discussing this 12yrs ago.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FireBrand View Post
    I recall discussing this 12yrs ago.
    Yeah, I think we've done it a few times. lol.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fuego View Post
    Colonel does bring up an interesting point though. I should probably start another thread with this topic.

    For instance, everything in the Bible is true as in it is truly stated. But not everything in the Bible is true. For instance, what was said to Job in the first post is truly stated, and it does line up with scripture, but it possibly wasn't true where Job was concerned.

    But I'm bringing this up about Job. Job said, 'The Lord gives and the Lord takes away, blessed be the name of the Lord'. Is that truly recorded and truly stated? Yes, Job said that. But is that really scriptural? Was Job inspired when he said that? I personally don't believe so. There is no context that shows he was inspired by the Holy Spirit to say that as far as I can tell. So a lot of bad theology comes from that statement even though it is in the Bible, but it's not inspired.

    The NT says the thief comes to steal, kill, and destroy. But Jesus has come so we can have the abundant life. It also says every good and perfect gift comes from above. And other scriptures that would contradict what Job said in his limited knowledge of God. I'm sure there's more but that's the two that come to me off the top of my head.

    So again, we have to watch what we attribute to being an inspired statement, especially in the OT. So much bad theology comes from things like that, and a lot of bad theology comes from our pain, trying to have an explanation for it that basically comes from our own reasonings, and not the scriptures.
    I think Job himself is quoted as if he were speaking "words from the Lord" a lot more than his three friends are. A lot of people (not only Catholics) see Job as some sort of "suffering saint" and therefore his three friends as his wrongful accusers. They forget that God himself rebuked Job for speaking words without wisdom in the last chapter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Colonel View Post
    I think Job himself is quoted as if he were speaking "words from the Lord" a lot more than his three friends are. A lot of people (not only Catholics) see Job as some sort of "suffering saint" and therefore his three friends as his wrongful accusers. They forget that God himself rebuked Job for speaking words without wisdom in the last chapter.
    Yep. He basically asked Job why he was condemning Him in order to justify himself.

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    The same type is sometimes confused about who Elihu is, thinking that he is one of Job's three friends and was rebuked and that Job himself was the one God was the least angry with. People read the book of Job a number of times, quote it endlessly and have no idea who is doing what in the book.

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    I love the end of this story.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FireBrand View Post
    I love the end of this story.
    Which nobody ever seems to preach when they're talking about Job. I tell people if they think they're 'poor old Job' they need to be dancing and rejoicing because if they are like Job they're guaranteed to receive their healing and get blessed double to boot. :)

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    Quote Originally Posted by FireBrand View Post
    I love the end of this story.
    Great ending.

    Yet people still judge Job unrighteously like his 3 friends and conclude his 'fear' caused all the calamity yet have they received a double portion and get God's commendation by the Apostle James.
    Not saying fear doesn't produce negative results but to take 1 verse out of 42 chapters and make a huge conclusion doesn't do the book justice

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    If we judge Job like Elihu did then we do well because Elihu was never rebuked and Job had to repent before he was healed etc

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