Originally Posted by
fuego
Yeah, I'm not sure where anybody is getting this tortured by demons stuff.
Originally Posted by
Colonel
I think it stems from the idea that Jesus suffered what we would have suffered. Then people think of hell and envision people being tortured by demons and/or each other as if they still have physical bodies. There's not much in the Bible about demons in hell. The only direct references I can think of from the NT is one in Revelation where a demon rises from the abyss. I'm not sure if the verse is supposed to be taken ultra literally. Then the account from the gospels where demons plead with Jesus to not send them into the abyss but rather into the herd of swine.
When Jesus was on the cross he was being tortured by men and indirectly by the devil who made them sentence him to death. Also by way of the spiritual atmosphere present, Psalm 22 suggests that he was encircled by demons tormenting his soul. Transferring that directly to Hades is more speculative. The parable of the rich man and Lazarus states that the rich man was tormented by fire while in Hades. That's not the same as the wrath of God, as a general thing that's postponed until Hades itself is cast into the lake of fire. Whatever hellfire amounts to when talking of a human being without a physical body, I don't see any indication of Jesus suffering hellfire anywhere in the Bible. Suffering the wrath of God over sin and one's soul being completely filled by death (meaning that there is no sense of any good any longer) ought to be enough though.
I'm not saying anything one way or another at this point.
But I think it may come from this ...
It all depends on the meaning of this passage/word translations...
Colossians 2:15 (KJV)
And having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it.
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Colossians 2:15 (CLV)
stripping off the sovereignties and authorities, with boldness He makes a show of them, triumphing over them in it."
Colossians 2:15 (YLT)
having stripped the principalities and the authorities, he made a shew of them openly—having triumphed over them in it.
Colossians 2:15 (JMNT)
stripping off and away (undressing; putting off and laying away; as a mid.: divesting Himself of) governments and authorities. And He made a public exhibit, in bold freedom of speaking, leading them in a triumphal procession within it. [or: Undressing Himself (stripping off [His body]), He also made a public display of the rulers and the authorities, with boldness leading them as captives in His victory procession in it (or: within Him).]
Colossians 2:15 (Weymouth)
And the hostile princes and rulers He shook off from Himself, and boldly displayed them as His conquests, when by the Cross He triumphed over them.
(WUEST)
having stripped off and away from himself the principalities and authorities, He boldly made an example of them, leading them in a triumphal procession in it.