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    OSAS - Once Saved Always Saved

    From the wikipedia page :

    Perseverance of the saints (also referred to as eternal security or as once saved, always saved) is a teaching that asserts that once persons are truly "born of God" or "regenerated" by the indwelling of the Holy Spirit, nothing in heaven or earth "shall be able to separate (them) from the love of God" (Romans 8:39) resulting in a reversal of the converted condition.

    So do you believe in that doctrine, Colonel ?

    Colonel : Nope, I certainly do not.

    So what is able to separate someone who is truly "born of God" or "regenerated" by the indwelling of the Holy Spirit - resulting in a reversal of the converted condition ?

    Colonel : Turning to unbelief certainly does.

    So is anything else capable of "reverting the converted condition" ?

    Colonel : Not in and of itself. Living in sin may lead a person to where he also turns to unbelief.

    So then living in sin "reverted the converted condition" ?

    Colonel : No, the unbelief did it. The sin was merely a catalyst.

    Doesn't that mean that you are at least in part a believer in OSAS ?

    Colonel : Not by any useful definition of either OSAS or "in part".

    But there are others that believe that living in sin "reverts the converted condition". Aren't they less OSAS than you are ?

    Colonel : Not any more than people who believe in "works salvation" are less OSAS than those people again.

    So then "more or less OSAS" doesn't make sense at all ?

    Colonel : That's right. Either one is OSAS or one is not. Some people may be OSAS for all practical purposes, meaning that practically noone ever loses their salvation. They may be OSAS except for a technicality. They could be termed "nearly OSAS".

    So have you, since you started posting on forums in 1996, for a single solitary second considered embracing the OSAS position ?

    Colonel : No, never.

    Likewise, have you, since you started posting on forums in 1996, for a single solitary second considered disbelieving in a conscious eternal hell as the end station for a large portion of humanity ?

    Colonel : No, never.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Colonel View Post
    From the wikipedia page :

    Perseverance of the saints (also referred to as eternal security or as once saved, always saved) is a teaching that asserts that once persons are truly "born of God" or "regenerated" by the indwelling of the Holy Spirit, nothing in heaven or earth "shall be able to separate (them) from the love of God" (Romans 8:39) resulting in a reversal of the converted condition.

    So do you believe in that doctrine, Colonel ?

    Colonel : Nope, I certainly do not.

    So what is able to separate someone who is truly "born of God" or "regenerated" by the indwelling of the Holy Spirit - resulting in a reversal of the converted condition ?

    Colonel : Turning to unbelief certainly does.

    So is anything else capable of "reverting the converted condition" ?

    Colonel : Not in and of itself. Living in sin may lead a person to where he also turns to unbelief.

    So then living in sin "reverted the converted condition" ?

    Colonel : No, the unbelief did it. The sin was merely a catalyst.

    Doesn't that mean that you are at least in part a believer in OSAS ?

    Colonel : Not by any useful definition of either OSAS or "in part".

    But there are others that believe that living in sin "reverts the converted condition". Aren't they less OSAS than you are ?

    Colonel : Not any more than people who believe in "works salvation" are less OSAS than those people again.

    So then "more or less OSAS" doesn't make sense at all ?

    Colonel : That's right. Either one is OSAS or one is not. Some people may be OSAS for all practical purposes, meaning that practically noone ever loses their salvation. They may be OSAS except for a technicality. They could be termed "nearly OSAS".

    So have you, since you started posting on forums in 1996, for a single solitary second considered embracing the OSAS position ?

    Colonel : No, never.

    Likewise, have you, since you started posting on forums in 1996, for a single solitary second considered disbelieving in a conscious eternal hell as the end station for a large portion of humanity ?

    Colonel : No, never.

    For I am persuaded that neither death nor life, nor angels nor principalities nor powers, nor things present nor things to come, nor height nor depth, nor any other created thing, shall be able to separate us from the love of God which is in Christ Jesus our Lord. Romans 8:38


    Nothing will seperate us from the love of God.


    Not even going to hell.


    God loves us, as well as the world.


    Because God loves the world does that automatically mean they won’t go to hell? No.



    The Point:


    Just because God loves us, it doesn’t prevent us from being cast into hell.


    Even in the depths of hell a God still loves us.





    JLB

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    Quote Originally Posted by JLB View Post
    For I am persuaded that neither death nor life, nor angels nor principalities nor powers, nor things present nor things to come, nor height nor depth, nor any other created thing, shall be able to separate us from the love of God which is in Christ Jesus our Lord. Romans 8:38


    Nothing will seperate us from the love of God.


    Not even going to hell.


    God loves us, as well as the world.


    Because God loves the world does that automatically mean they won’t go to hell? No.



    The Point:


    Just because God loves us, it doesn’t prevent us from being cast into hell.


    Even in the depths of hell a God still loves us.





    JLB
    I think the point is that nothing can separate us from God's love except our choice to be separated from him. Nothing external to us. To include our own choices is simply a context-less way of reading a verse like that.

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    That is a major thing that the OSAS folks have missed. The scripture says nothing can separate us from the love of God. God loved us before we were saved, while we were yet sinners. Being separated from His love and being separated from Him for eternity are two totally different things.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ezekiel 33 View Post
    That is a major thing that the OSAS folks have missed. The scripture says nothing can separate us from the love of God. God loved us before we were saved, while we were yet sinners. Being separated from His love and being separated from Him for eternity are two totally different things.

    Yes sir.

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    Salvation can be lost or forfeited with eternal ramifications to be instituted (Ezek 3:20, 18:24,26; 33:13,18; Rom 8:13, 6:16; James 1:14-16; 5:19,20; etc).
    If believers would read the NT without any preconceived ideas of what it says and just accept what it declares, there would be no controversy.

    Three ways on how to lose ones salvation comes to mind.
    1. Through certain sins, and dying in those sins while living in a unrepentant lifestyle, 2. By believing and/or preaching certain false doctrines related to salvation, and 3. Disowning Jesus during persecution.

    Salvation can be restored as well as your personal relationship with God. Examples of those who regained their salvation would be David, Peter, the prodigal, etc.
    If you put God First, you have Him at Last.

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