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    Quote Originally Posted by Quest View Post
    Interesting line of thought...does the word have to be spoken? Was the word read by someone to the woman?

    And yes, I would be interested to know the FACTS around the death and resurrection...
    Do our prayers to God have to be audible ? Are they powerless if they are stated only in our minds ? Or by writing them on a piece of paper (in letter form for instance), or in a prayer thread on this forum ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Colonel View Post
    Do our prayers to God have to be audible ? Are they powerless if they are stated only in our minds ? Or by writing them on a piece of paper (in letter form for instance), or in a prayer thread on this forum ?
    At the bottom line I believe God can tell someone to send a text message to a dead person's phone and raise the dead....when someone has raised the dead in our history it was the faith of the person alive that brought them back...seems to me...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Colonel View Post
    Do our prayers to God have to be audible ? Are they powerless if they are stated only in our minds ? Or by writing them on a piece of paper (in letter form for instance), or in a prayer thread on this forum ?
    Lets stick to the Bible. Communion with God doesn't have to be audible, but authority is released by speaking, not thinking. Let's look at the Master Healer and even the disciples and how they healed and keep it scriptural.

    Now as far as texting, the words read could inspire faith in the person that needs healing and then be healed by their faith. But the texted words in and of themselves didn't heal the person. It's what it inspired in the person reading them if that person had faith in what was texted and/or who texted it to them. As Quest said, "If typed words can't inspire faith for healing then that would also disqualify the scriptures......" The typed, written, printed words inspire faith.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Colonel View Post
    The person in question was dead. So the real question is if the words used have to be audibly spoken.
    Yes.

    In my opinion the spiritual realm is able to pick up on commands given with or without them being spoken audibly in this world.
    And that is an opinion as you said. Not scriptural.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fuego View Post
    Yes.
    And that is an opinion as you said. Not scriptural.
    If we narrow this down to commanding evil spirits then they should have to be able to register that a command was issued. Exactly how that works in the spiritual realm I'm not sure of but it's quite possible that the command is heard there, either by the evil spirit or by an angel executing the command, if it's spoken inaudibly, that is, merely by moving one's lips. If not then there is the question of how much noise one would have to make in order to be heard - by a spirit who doesn't possess ears in the natural world anyway.

    If we are talking about healing, there is the example of the handkerchiefs and in the other thread you stated that that was a physical object that the power of God attached itself to. There is an other example that involves neither words spoken nor any physical object. Unless air qualifies as a physical object ?

    Acts 5:15 so that they brought the sick out into the streets and laid them on beds and couches, that at least the shadow of Peter passing by might fall on some of them.

    Back to the handkerchiefs. Not only were people healed, but devils were cast out and with no words spoken. Only by the working of the power of God :

    Acts 19:11 Now God worked unusual miracles by the hands of Paul,
    12 so that even handkerchiefs or aprons were brought from his body to the sick, and the diseases left them and the evil spirits went out of them

    Notice that it says that those were unusual miracles. But just because the onlaying of hands along with audibly spoken words and commands is the norm, it doesn't mean that God cannot do things in other ways. There are many workings, but the same Holy Spirit working it all.

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    Here's another healing where no words are spoken and the method is highly unusual :

    Mark 8:22 Then He came to Bethsaida; and they brought a blind man to Him, and begged Him to touch him.
    23 So He took the blind man by the hand and led him out of the town. And when He had spit on his eyes and put His hands on him, He asked him if he saw anything.

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    Handkerchiefs worked because they actually contained and were saturated with the power of God. When laid on them the power went in and healed them and drove out the evil spirits. Two totally different things.

    One thing the Bible is clear about where exercising authority is concerned is that it is released by audible words. I do agree that God can do things in other ways, but we need to find evidence of it in the Bible at least in principle.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fuego View Post
    Handkerchiefs worked because they actually contained and were saturated with the power of God. When laid on them the power went in and healed them and drove out the evil spirits. Two totally different things.

    One thing the Bible is clear about where exercising authority is concerned is that it is released by audible words. I do agree that God can do things in other ways, but we need to find evidence of it in the Bible at least in principle.
    The thing about the handkerchiefs was that the evil spirits left with no authority being taken over them in any way.

    The thing about the shadow of Peter was that there was no transfer of power through a concrete object, just like is the case when Benny Hinn and others transfer power without laying hands on someone. Or do you discount that manifestation alltogether ?

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