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    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal TT View Post
    I don't know where you got the idea that I said homosexuals should not be shown the love of God
    Take a deep breath first then read carefully.

    Actually we should ask God to apologise for destroying the whole world in Noah's day so sinners know God doesn't judge them but loves them
    Assuming that the above is in jest I may construct an anti-thesis :

    "We should not ask God to apologize for destroying the whole world in Noah's day and sinners should know God judges them and doesn't love them"

    Pay attention to the last part of the resulting sentence. I know that that wasn't what you meant but deciphering the intended meaning can be difficult and especially when what you actually said was meant to be the opposite or nearly the opposite of what you meant.

    You do frequently come on too strongly about homosexual issues and sometimes about other moral issues. It's not that what you say is wrong, it's just that it's a bit much some times. I did understand how you felt during the Australian vote about homosexual marriage but that lasted a few months, you've posted here for a decade or more. I think, and this is a hunch, that some posters here react more to your posts about the mentioned issues than I personally do though they might not say much.

    Against that background, it's understandable when some posters end up interpreting posts like the one discussed now in an over-the-top manner. Maybe not this time, it's very clear that you believe in showing God's love to everyone if one pays attention to what you say over time, but perhaps at other times. Which compounds the problem.

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    Here's a verse that everyone should remember when discussing issues pertaining to morality :

    1 Cor 5:12 For what have I to do with judging those also who are outside? Do you not judge those who are inside?
    13 But those who are outside God judges.

    Judging self proclaimed Christians for their sins is a bit different to judging non-Christians for the same sins. The world will be doing what it does, which is to love sin. Our job is to present the gospel rather than simply to pronounce judgment. Self proclaimed Christians are supposed to already have received the gospel so that is a bit different.

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    You are micro analysing.

    My niece through marriage is living as a lesbian and you can ask her if I pronounce judgement on her.

    A very close Christian couple have a daughter who lives as a lesbian. Ask them if I pronounced judgement on her when we met or if we have prayed many times for God to minister to her.

    I am strongly against the agenda but if you can't tell the difference when I have addressed the agenda and spoken about homosexual people then I can't help you

    Is God a gay hater for twice very powerfully revealing to me in dreams about the gay agenda and I have shared about it on the previous forum.

    Actually I don't say this arrogantly but I was warning of the gay agenda many years before it has become mainstream.....I had confidence in what I shared because God revealed it.

    This is a forum NOT an outreach to gays

    If I take your stance I can conclude that maybe you hate Calvinists because no one has shared more strongly against Calvinists than yourself

    Its weird even having this conversation

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    You forget that I discussed these things with atheists and anti-Christians during the 1990s and in many ways their views back then reflected what the mainstream is declaring today. I was also involved with a very local revival during the late 90s here in Norway where some people repented from bisexuality. Back then Norwegians were typically mindly to strongly opposed to homosexuality but not necessarily within certain subcultures, subcultures that weren't about being gay but rather about other issues. To some of those people and their friends and family, their taking up the Christian faith represented an enormous change. Some people converted from Islam and that was of course entirely different again. I can tell you that I had an extremely difficult time avoiding being worked into an anti-this-that-and-the-other image. This also applies to my less fruitful discussions with hardcore atheists, anti-Christians and blasphemers on the internet during that time. In many ways those days were when I was formed.

    As for Calvinists, I've met many types of Calvinists including very angry and difficult ones but I've never defined believing in Calvinism as a sin or even as an outright heresy so that's a bit different.

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    I have a difficult time understanding why Christians go to extreme reactions when it comes to the issue of homosexuality. We either get the Wicked Westboro types who declare that God hates them or the wicked liberal church types that fully embrace and accept their behavior. Furthermore, why would it be called judgmental to warn people concerning the consequences of such behavior (many of these consequences taking place in THIS life and not just in the hereafter)?

    Should I attend to the adult movie conventions (yes, they have those and award shows for adult movies) and hold up signs asking them to forgive me for preaching against pornography? Should I ask the porn stars (particularly the women ) if I can hug them? Heck, how about Satanist conventions?

    It is not our place to condemn any sinner but we should lovingly let them know that there is a judgment upon sin that is coming, that their sin will destroy them, and that God has provided the way of escape. To share "love" with the homosexual without telling them of the consequences of their actions is not love at all - not the God-kind anyway.
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    Quote Originally Posted by victoryword View Post
    I have a difficult time understanding why Christians go to extreme reactions when it comes to the issue of homosexuality. We either get the Wicked Westboro types who declare that God hates them or the wicked liberal church types that fully embrace and accept their behavior. Furthermore, why would it be called judgmental to warn people concerning the consequences of such behavior (many of these consequences taking place in THIS life and not just in the hereafter)?

    Should I attend to the adult movie conventions (yes, they have those and award shows for adult movies) and hold up signs asking them to forgive me for preaching against pornography? Should I ask the porn stars (particularly the women ) if I can hug them? Heck, how about Satanist conventions?

    It is not our place to condemn any sinner but we should lovingly let them know that there is a judgment upon sin that is coming, that their sin will destroy them, and that God has provided the way of escape. To share "love" with the homosexual without telling them of the consequences of their actions is not love at all - not the God-kind anyway.
    I sometimes think that that is what the gay agenda and its followers wants, for Christians to either be the Westboro type that they can hate back or the "forgive us for judging you, we accept you fully" kind that they can be overbearing with. Neither type is found around here of course but this is a difficult issue. People making sin their identity makes for very difficult dialogue and that includes the idol worshippers of the book of Acts and some of the religionists we see today as well.

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    I sometimes think that that is what the gay agenda and its followers wants, for Christians to either be the Westboro type that they can hate back or the "forgive us for judging you, we accept you fully" kind that they can be overbearing with. Neither type is found around here of course but this is a difficult issue. People making sin their identity makes for very difficult dialogue and that includes the idol worshippers of the book of Acts and some of the religionists we see today as well.
    You might have a point there. The Gay pride folks probably abhor the Biblical Christians who love them but are willing to warn them about the consequences of sin and would prefer the Westboro folks so that they have an excuse to keep doing what they are doing due to the "hatred of Christians."
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    Quote Originally Posted by victoryword View Post
    You might have a point there. The Gay pride folks probably abhor the Biblical Christians who love them but are willing to warn them about the consequences of sin and would prefer the Westboro folks so that they have an excuse to keep doing what they are doing due to the "hatred of Christians."
    We sure need the conviction power of the Holy Spirit to get anywhere with those people and also other groups. We need an avalanche of conviction power.

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    Quote Originally Posted by victoryword View Post
    You might have a point there. The Gay pride folks probably abhor the Biblical Christians who love them but are willing to warn them about the consequences of sin and would prefer the Westboro folks so that they have an excuse to keep doing what they are doing due to the "hatred of Christians."
    This reminds me of a young guy who was at my workplace years ago who was a typical sinner. A lot of partying, drinking, casual sex. He was slightly bisexual. He talked about Jehovah's Witnesses he was acquainted with in favorable terms. It occurred to me that the reason he liked them was that he saw them as completely harmless. JWs are of course completely opposed to the kind of lifestyle he lived but that didn't matter because he didn't take them seriously in any way except when comparing them to themselves. Kind of like "nice people".

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