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    Quote Originally Posted by Colonel View Post
    Did he go from immortal to mortal (so he could die) then back to a different kind of immortal ?
    His resurrection body is totally different to his human sinless body. His sinless human body is of a lower nature to his glorified body.

    The new glorified body can never get weak....Jesus human sinless body got weak and tired

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    Quote Originally Posted by GodismyJudge View Post
    The Resurrection/Glorification/Exaltation of our Lord Jesus Christ was God's greatest work and freed Him from the dominion of death, and put all things under His feet.


    Ephesians 1:19-23

    (19) ...And what is the exceeding greatness of His power to us-ward who believe, according to the working of His mighty power,
    (20) Which He wrought in Christ, when He raised Him from the dead, and set Him at His own right hand in the heavenly places,

    (21) Far above all principality, and power, and might, and dominion, and every name that is named, not only in this world, but also in that which is to come:
    (22) And hath put all things under His feet, and gave Him to be the head over all things to the church,
    (23) Which is his body, the fulness of Him that filleth all in all.







    Was that dominion different to what Lazarus was under ? I'm going to assume that Lazarus went to the bosom of Abraham rather than to hell. I'm also thinking that everyone who was resurrected before Jesus was, was resurrected from the same place - the bosom of Abraham. Was Jesus the first (or only) person to be resurrected from hell ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal TT View Post
    His resurrection body is totally different to his human sinless body. His sinless human body is of a lower nature to his glorified body.

    The new glorified body can never get weak....Jesus human sinless body got weak and tired
    I agree on that. But was Jesus mortal and died a natural death on the cross or was he immortal and had to give himself up to death ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Colonel View Post
    I agree on that. But was Jesus mortal and died a natural death on the cross or was he immortal and had to give himself up to death ?
    He gave up his life as his human body was sinless and therefore would not die naturally.
    Adam and Eve could of lived forever if they didn't sin

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal TT View Post
    He gave up his life as his human body was sinless and therefore would not die naturally.
    Adam and Eve could of lived forever if they didn't sin
    So why didn't Jesus come here in a glorified body to begin with. He still qualifies as a human being now, doesn't he ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Colonel View Post
    So why didn't Jesus come here in a glorified body to begin with. He still qualifies as a human being now, doesn't he ?
    If he came with a glorified body he could not die for us...you can't kill a glorified body

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal TT View Post
    If he came with a glorified body he could not die for us...you can't kill a glorified body
    I'm thinking that he could only receive a glorified body as a human being by overcoming death (from the position of death) as a mortal first. Maybe he could have let them kill him in a glorified state and then God would resurrect him again but then it wouldn't make any difference to us and he wouldn't have qualified as a human being under the same conditions as us either. But because of the whole process he still qualifies as a human being and also has a glorified body and that is consequently our future, in him.

    1 Cor 15:42 So also is the resurrection of the dead. The body is sown in corruption, it is raised in incorruption. 43 It is sown in dishonor, it is raised in glory. It is sown in weakness, it is raised in power. 44 It is sown a natural body, it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body. 45 And so it is written, “The first man Adam became a living being.” The last Adam became a life-giving spirit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Colonel View Post
    Was that dominion different to what Lazarus was under ? I'm going to assume that Lazarus went to the bosom of Abraham rather than to hell. I'm also thinking that everyone who was resurrected before Jesus was, was resurrected from the same place - the bosom of Abraham. Was Jesus the first (or only) person to be resurrected from hell ?
    Colonel,

    Read the actual Scripture, don't just hypothesize.

    Do you think that the power that went into Lazarus' Resurrection was in any way comparable to what was expended in Jesus' ressurection - as it is described in Ephesians 1 ????





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    This I say therefore, and testify in the Lord, that ye henceforth walk not as other Gentiles walk, in the vanity (futility) of their mind, having the understanding darkened...
    (Ephesians 4:17-18)

    Blessed is the man that walketh not in the counsel of the ungodly...
    (Psalm 1)

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    Quote Originally Posted by GodismyJudge View Post
    Colonel,

    Read the actual Scripture, don't just hypothesize.

    Do you think that the power that went into Lazarus' Resurrection was in any way comparable to what was expended in Jesus' ressurection - as it is described in Ephesians 1 ????
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    The scripture talks about his state after his resurrection and the power of that resurrection, I was talking about what dominion he was under while he was still dead.

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    1 Cor 15:42 So also is the resurrection of the dead. The body is sown in corruption, it is raised in incorruption.
    43 It is sown in dishonor, it is raised in glory. It is sown in weakness, it is raised in power.
    44 It is sown a natural body, it is raised a spiritual body.

    The above is from a discussion on our future bodily resurrection. But does it also relate Jesus' death and resurrection ? Certainly, the next 5 verses discuss that specifically. In his next letter he adds :

    2 Cor 13:4 For though He was crucified in weakness, yet He lives by the power of God.

    But how did that happen ? He was originally immortal yet he gave his life up on the cross. In and of himself he was righteous yet he gave himself over to becoming a curse, to being seen as sin itself in the eyes of God. He was crucified and died in weakness.

    Luke 16 says that Lazarus died and was carried by the angels to the bosom of Abraham. There were no angels that carried the dead Jesus anywhere. He was sin itself in the eyes of God and he descended into the depths of hell. He was now mortal and weak and there was nothing that suggested that he would rise from the dead again. Not by his own power or immortality and not according to how God saw and treated him - as sin itself.

    Phil 2:8 And being found in appearance as a man, He humbled Himself and became obedient to the point of death, even the death of the cross.
    9 Therefore God also has highly exalted Him and given Him the name which is above every name

    Verse 9 declares that God eventually did take heed of his righteousness and his obedience and of course, his implicit faith. But it took three days of being mortal and weak before that happened.

    Jonah 2:6 I went down to the moorings of the mountains;
    The earth with its bars closed behind me forever;
    Yet You have brought up my life from the pit,
    O Lord, my God.
    7 “When my soul fainted within me,
    I remembered the Lord;
    And my prayer went up to You,
    Into Your holy temple.
    8 “Those who regard worthless idols
    Forsake their own Mercy.
    9 But I will sacrifice to You
    With the voice of thanksgiving;
    I will pay what I have vowed.
    Salvation is of the Lord.”
    10 So the Lord spoke to the fish, and it vomited Jonah onto dry land.

    Jesus didn't give the Pharisees any sign except the Jonah sign. Even though he was trapped down there forever per default, he still placed his trust in the salvation of the Lord and the Lord raised him up from death itself :

    Acts 2:24 whom God raised up, having loosed the pains of death, because it was not possible that He should be held by it.

    He was crucified and died in weakness. He was resurrected in corresponding glory. Not simply because he descended into the coils of death itself. But because he remained righteous, obedient and in faith in the God who would raise him again even if Jesus' experience was that God had forsaken him and saw him as no better than sin itself. The glory corresponds to the depth of weakness and unfairness that his previous experience entailed.

    That is, and remains, the greatest resurrection ever.

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