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    The Flawed Red Hen Analogy Shows Liberals Still Don't Understand Christian Baker Case


    The Flawed Red Hen Analogy Shows Liberals Still Don't Understand Christian Baker Case
    Unlike the Red Hen, Jack Phillips serves all customers. He just doesn't participate in all events.
    By Monica Burke Published on June 26, 2018
    https://stream.org/flawed-red-hen-an...an-baker-case/

    After a Lexington, Virginia, restaurant, the Red Hen, refused service to White House press secretary Sarah Huckabee Sanders on Friday, commentators on the left immediately seized upon a false analogy.

    They likened that incident to the Masterpiece Cakeshop case, the case of the Christian baker in Colorado who refused to craft a custom cake for a same-sex wedding.

    That attempt at an analogy reveals that the left still does not understand the Supreme Court's ruling in Masterpiece Cakeshop v. Colorado Civil Rights Commission.

    Jack Phillips, the baker, serves all customers, but cannot serve all events. He declined to make a wedding cake for a same-sex couple not because of their identity, because he could not communicate a message that violated his religious beliefs.

    He even offered the couple any other item in his store.

    Meanwhile, the Red Hen denied service to Sanders precisely because of who she is. They did not refuse to create a custom order that would have endorsed views they disagreed with. They denied her service, period.

    The false analogy also reveals the hypocrisy of the left's position. They accuse people like Phillips, who serves everyone regardless of who they are, of discrimination, but herald institutions like the Red Hen for denying service because of who someone is.

    Robert P. George, a philosopher and Princeton University McCormick chair of jurisprudence, explained the problem with the analogy in tweets:


    Robert P. George @McCormickProf

    If you want to analogize--even roughly--the Red Hen to Masterpiece Cakeshop, Sarah Sanders has to ask Red Hen to create custom food items for a celebration (perhaps at her church) of the Zero Tolerance policy.

    And RH has to be willing to serve her on its premises, sell her off the shelf food items that she can use for any event she likes, and provide custom-designed food items for her for birthday parties, holiday celebrations, and other events that Red Hen's owners don't object to on moral grounds.

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    So if the Son sets you free, you will be free indeed. John's Avatar
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    I love it when they act like this. Well, not really but it is certainly more votes for MAGA every time they show their colors.

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    LEXINGTON, Va. - Stephanie Wilkinson has resigned from her role with Main Street Lexington, a volunteer-based organization.

    Elizabeth Outland Branner, the president of the organization, accepted Wilkinson's resignation Tuesday morning.

    Owner of B&B where Sarah Huckabee Sanders stayed speaks after incident at The Red Hen

    "Considering the events of the past weekend, Stephanie felt it best that for the continued success of Main Street Lexington, she should step aside," Branner wrote in an email.
    https://www.wsls.com/news/virginia/l...reet-lexington

    quite a ruckus goin on..

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    Quote Originally Posted by John View Post
    I love it when they act like this. Well, not really but it is certainly more votes for MAGA every time they show their colors.
    Imagine the corrupt cheating the libs have to be cooking up right now to offset a Republican blowout.

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    oh my.. this is getting interesting.

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    The situation at the Red Hen seems a bit comparable to when someone walks into a restaurant and the following conversation takes place :

    Owner : "It's well known here that you are gay, please leave".
    Guest : "Yes but I'm not here to have you promote homosexuality through your restaurant. Nor do I intend to offend anyone by talking loudly about my love life or my orientation or even just gay issues"
    Owner : "So what, we simply can't stand people like you, now get out".

    How would the above have fared in the liberal media if it had been the actual conversation rather than a metaphor ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by John View Post
    LEXINGTON, Va. - Stephanie Wilkinson has resigned from her role with Main Street Lexington, a volunteer-based organization.
    quite a ruckus goin on..
    She resigned? She should have been immediately fired from that position as it was a government funded hospitality/tourism organization.

    The city of Lexington is really dropping the ball, this is their official statement...no apologies, just a weak statement about how they support free speech:

    https://www.facebook.com/LexingtonVi...56569706005719

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    Quote Originally Posted by krystian View Post
    She resigned? She should have been immediately fired from that position as it was a government funded hospitality/tourism organization.

    The city of Lexington is really dropping the ball, this is their official statement...no apologies, just a weak statement about how they support free speech:

    https://www.facebook.com/LexingtonVi...56569706005719
    Kicking somebody out of your restaurant because you don't like their politics isn't exactly free speech.

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    You just cant reason with the unreasonable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by krystian View Post
    She resigned? She should have been immediately fired from that position as it was a government funded hospitality/tourism organization.

    The city of Lexington is really dropping the ball, this is their official statement...no apologies, just a weak statement about how they support free speech:

    https://www.facebook.com/LexingtonVi...56569706005719
    Quote Originally Posted by fuego View Post
    Kicking somebody out of your restaurant because you don't like their politics isn't exactly free speech.
    Let alone chasing them to another business trying to run them out of town.

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