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    BAP : the verse is similar to :

    2 Cor 9:6 But this I say: He who sows sparingly will also reap sparingly, and he who sows bountifully will also reap bountifully.
    7 So let each one give as he purposes in his heart, not grudgingly or of necessity; for God loves a cheerful giver.
    8 And God is able to make all grace abound toward you, that you, always having all sufficiency in all things, may have an abundance for every good work.

    Where the overflow beyond needs being filled is for "every good work" rather than for luxury. An other issue is what God defines as one's "needs". That may be very different to what many people define as their "needs". Paul didn't define "my new, upgraded private ship" as one of his needs and then "every good work" came on top of that. For instance.

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    Everybody just ignored your post.
    ***ZIIIING*** right over their heads.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FireBrand View Post
    ***ZIIIING*** right over their heads.
    I even replied to the above.

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    BAP : the verse is similar to :

    2 Cor 9:6 But this I say: He who sows sparingly will also reap sparingly, and he who sows bountifully will also reap bountifully.
    7 So let each one give as he purposes in his heart, not grudgingly or of necessity; for God loves a cheerful giver.
    8 And God is able to make all grace abound toward you, that you, always having all sufficiency in all things, may have an abundance for every good work.

    Where the overflow beyond needs being filled is for "every good work" rather than for luxury. An other issue is what God defines as one's "needs". That may be very different to what many people define as their "needs". Paul didn't define "my new, upgraded private ship" as one of his needs and then "every good work" came on top of that. For instance.
    Chief,
    We are never going to agree on what defines Need and thats ok.

    For the 4 billion people on the plant who dont have access to the internet .. your paying for internet data costs to be will be considered a luxury not a need even though you i am sure you would argue that an internet presence is a necessity for preaching the gospel today

    So again instead of the continual bellyaching about Paul's hypothetical private ship simply find a ministry to partner with that aligns more with your spirit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BAP View Post
    Chief,
    We are never going to agree on what defines Need and thats ok.

    For the 4 billion people on the plant who dont have access to the internet .. your paying for internet data costs to be will be considered a luxury not a need even though you i am sure you would argue that an internet presence is a necessity for preaching the gospel today

    So again instead of the continual bellyaching about Paul's hypothetical private ship simply find a ministry to partner with that aligns more with your spirit.
    Iẗ́'s considered a luxury until other needs have been met. Why spend money on an internet connection when one can barely feed oneself and one's family ?

    You didn't like my discussion on what Jesus and the apostles could have spent money on that would correspond to today's luxury jets, did you ? It sort of places things in a biblical perspective. Most people are used to seeing the world of the new testament as very alien to the modern world. Except when it lists God's promises and stuff like that.

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    Iẗ́'s considered a luxury until other needs have been met. Why spend money on an internet connection when one can barely feed oneself and one's family ?

    You didn't like my discussion on what Jesus and the apostles could have spent money on that would correspond to today's luxury jets, did you ? It sort of places things in a biblical perspective. Most people are used to seeing the world of the new testament as very alien to the modern world. Except when it lists God's promises and stuff like that.
    I didn't mind the discussion at all.. I actually enjoyed deconstructing your hubris ..

    In all I just dont think your position held water ..

    There were plenty of poor sick people in Jesus time but that didn't stop him from enjoying the luxuries of life by visiting the likes of Zaccheus and other publicans (much to the chagrin of the pharisees) . Furthermore he didn't reject expensive perfume when poured on his feet . (much to the chagrin of Judas Iscariot the thief)

    So the notion that we have to cure world poverty before a minister can be able to use a ministry jet just doesn't fly with the scriptures. If anything the people whom howl the most at Jesus enjoying luxury such as the Pharisees and Judas were the ones with evil in their hearts

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    You're attacking a strawman, BAP. Meaning you're arguing against a view that hasn't been presented here by anyone. None of what you mention involved spending ministry funds on luxury. Judas Iscariot complained about the $15,000 price tag on the perfumed oil and he did have a point even though it was a gift. Jesus explained that it was to anoint him for his burial, meaning that the cause justified the expense.

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    You're attacking a strawman, BAP. Meaning you're arguing against a view that hasn't been presented here by anyone. None of what you mention involved spending ministry funds on luxury. Judas Iscariot complained about the $15,000 price tag on the perfumed oil and he did have a point even though it was a gift. Jesus explained that it was to anoint him for his burial, meaning that the cause justified the expense.
    The woman had no idea That Jesus was going to die or be buried so it was not a matter of cause justifying expense ...(There goes your intellectualism again)
    John 12
    3Then Mary took about a pinta of pure nard, an expensive perfume; she poured it on Jesus’ feet and wiped his feet with her hair. And the house was filled with the fragrance of the perfume.
    4But one of his disciples, Judas Iscariot, who was later to betray him, objected, 5“Why wasn’t this perfume sold and the money given to the poor? It was worth a year’s wages.b ” 6He did not say this because he cared about the poor but because he was a thief; as keeper of the money bag, he used to help himself to what was put into it.
    7“Leave her alone,” Jesus replied. “It was intended that she should save this perfume for the day of my burial. 8You will always have the poor among you,c but you will not always have me.”
    The holy spirit moved on her to do it and it prepared HIM for his burial .. In that she gave something of value to him. In other words she valued his ministry so much that she gave the best she could .

    And you are right Judas had a point .. in practical humanistic terms it was indeed a waste but in Kingdom terms it wasn't. Therein lies the difference

    Again to my point to intellectual types a jet is an obscene waste . However to those who get it it represents the value of the gospel and the value of those who carry the anointing to preach the gospel.
    Thats why we dont gripe about men and women of God using Jets like you do. To us its about furthering the gospel not a status symbol .. to you its just a waste

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    Quote Originally Posted by BAP View Post
    The woman had no idea That Jesus was going to die or be buried so it was not a matter of cause justifying expense ...(There goes your intellectualism again)

    @@@I didn't say that that was what the woman thought as she anointed him.

    The holy spirit moved on her to do it and it prepared HIM for his burial .. In that she gave something of value to him. In other words she valued his ministry so much that she gave the best she could .

    @@@And Jesus gave a specific reason why he let her.

    And you are right Judas had a point .. in practical humanistic terms it was indeed a waste but in Kingdom terms it wasn't. Therein lies the difference

    @@@And Jesus gave us the reason why that made sense.

    Again to my point to intellectual types a jet is an obscene waste . However to those who get it it represents the value of the gospel and the value of those who carry the anointing to preach the gospel.

    @@@You'd call any reasonable objection to whatever your minister hero does, "intellectualism". If the objection doesn't make sense then you argue against it, if it does make sense then you refer to it as "intellectualism".

    Thats why we dont gripe about men and women of God using Jets like you do. To us its about furthering the gospel not a status symbol .. to you its just a waste

    @@@All I see here is your being loyal.
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