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    Quote Originally Posted by curly sue View Post
    Exactly! Why would satan want to kill those who are sinning and doing his will?

    There is quite a lot of mish mash in this thread. smh
    Bingo! Absolutely correct.

    Satan is not concerned about his own children. He would not kill them since they are fulfilling his desires.

    If satan had all this killing power, he would kill every sinner before they gave their lives to Christ. In my services down through the years I have seen many sinners come forward to be saved. If satan could kill he would do it even as they walked down to give their hearts to the Lord. He would never want them to get saved. But he doesn't.
    Jesus holds the keys of death and hell. If a person wants eternal life he will find it. However, if a person lives for satan, i.e. in sin, he will surely die unless he wants LIFE. Sin-when it is finished bringeth forth death. Why? Not because satan declares it so, but because God has declared that sin is the way of eternal death.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fuego View Post
    Satan DOES destroy his vessels. That is clear. It's just part of the whole destructive process of being hooked up with him. If what you are asking there is true, then satan never kills anyone, or destroys them. He IS called the destroyer for a reason.
    He may protect his own dedicated servants but in general he makes use of people's sin to get hold of them and destroy them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Colonel View Post
    He may protect his own dedicated servants but in general...
    I'm not sure he actually can. Think about it. Once he actually begins to control and then possess, his very nature begins the process to destroy whether he means to or not because of the very nature of demons. Even if he didn't want to destroy them, their presence and nature in the vessel is 'naturally' destructive. They couldn't stop that process if they wanted to because it's just who they are.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fuego View Post
    I'm not sure he actually can. Think about it. Once he actually begins to control and then possess, his very nature begins the process to destroy whether he means to or not because of the very nature of demons. Even if he didn't want to destroy them, their presence and nature in the vessel is 'naturally' destructive. They couldn't stop that process if they wanted to because it's just who they are.
    History tells us that they do that but the end result is typically that they get tired of their subjects and betray them in the end, leaving them worse off than they would have been without the initial protection. Or they trade physical protection etc for further demonization, making them more useful vessels of destruction towards others.

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    Satan is the god of this world. He is a tormentor, destroyer, murderer, liar, deceiver, an much more.

    Since Adam committed high treason in the Garden of Eden, Satan gained control. God is NOT in control and can only assist mankind when we pray. He is NOT a murderer or thief. And for folk to insist He is are lacking in discernment.

    "We know that we are children of God and that the world around us is under the control of the evil one." 1 John‬ *5:19‬ *

    "The thief's purpose is to steal and kill and destroy. My purpose is to give them a rich and satisfying life." John‬ *10:

    "And when He has come, He will convict the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment:

    ...of judgment, because the ruler of this world is judged."
    **John‬ *16:8, 11‬ *

    "In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them." 2 Corinthians‬ *4:4‬ *
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    Quote Originally Posted by fuego View Post
    I'm not sure he actually can. Think about it. Once he actually begins to control and then possess, his very nature begins the process to destroy whether he means to or not because of the very nature of demons. Even if he didn't want to destroy them, their presence and nature in the vessel is 'naturally' destructive. They couldn't stop that process if they wanted to because it's just who they are.
    Truth....here again the human will is far more powerful in our human creation....Satan can only take his own as far as they are willing to go....so while some think the only reason a siner is alive is because God is protecting them, I don't. We are all tempted but as James says, we must be drawn away by our own lusts....so Satan can't kill anyone but he can certainly entice and draw them into situations that produce death but relationally, financially, spiritually and eventually physically....but the human will must participate...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Quest View Post
    Truth....here again the human will is far more powerful in our human creation....Satan can only take his own as far as they are willing to go....so while some think the only reason a siner is alive is because God is protecting them, I don't. We are all tempted but as James says, we must be drawn away by our own lusts....so Satan can't kill anyone but he can certainly entice and draw them into situations that produce death but relationally, financially, spiritually and eventually physically....but the human will must participate...
    In one African country I know of they celebrate some witchdoctor from hundreds of years ago because he was an extremely powerful witchdoctor. I'm thinking that that means that he probably was exactly that. Some people do make a decision to bargain with what they know is pure evil, for personal short term gain. Outwardly gain, that is. Some of them might keep serving like that until they die of old age and outwardly their relation to the devil could be said to have been a blessing to them - in this life. But in reality they are pawns in the devil's game because he won't do that unless he can produce far more destruction in other people's lives than he produced outward blessing in his servant's life.

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    Even possessed people have an element of will and control....but they will either allow God to free them or progress deeper into darkness....

    The idea that God's personal intervention is the only reason Satan has not killed everyone denies the authority of the human will...if Satan had that kind of authority he would block anyone from coming to Christ..but he can't...

    We need to be careful not to attribute, say a mass shooting, to Satan alone...human will participated in that. And human will could have prevented it...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Quest View Post
    Even possessed people have an element of will and control....but they will either allow God to free them or progress deeper into darkness....
    I have a friend who has a testimony of 'resisting' insanity before being saved after being put in a mental hospital by resisting what was happening to him. Although he didn't know who he was resisting I don't think. I'll have to clarify and post it.

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