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    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal TT View Post
    That can happen with revivals but the same thing can occur with large churches that have grown over 20 years and at the end many are lukewarm believers sleeping in church
    I understand that. As a non-American reading a thread about the Brownesville revival here about a year ago I'm concerned that it got way too emotional. Even if Americans understand the emotions that were involved (and I don't) emotions are still emotional rather than spiritual. The Welsh revival in 1904 gives me the same impression : emotionally comprehensible only to insiders, very powerful in magnitude then it faded very quickly. Who knows where they were all at only a couple of years later.

    Emotions are fleeting and don't last forever even when they are connected to something that is more than just that. When they fade naturally they may produce the opposite effect in those that relied on them and in the case of a revival the flesh will then stand ready to fight that which is truly spiritual in origin.

    I don't doubt that the Brownesville revival produced a lot of lasting fruit in terms of workers and I like to listen to John Kilpatrick and Michael Brown on God TV. But that may indicate that the emotionalism hasn't backfired in those that developed a weightier spiritual foundation during the revival.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Colonel View Post
    I understand that. As a non-American reading a thread about the Brownesville revival here about a year ago I'm concerned that it got way too emotional. Even if Americans understand the emotions that were involved (and I don't) emotions are still emotional rather than spiritual. The Welsh revival in 1904 gives me the same impression : emotionally comprehensible only to insiders, very powerful in magnitude then it faded very quickly. Who knows where they were all at only a couple of years later.
    You're not going to have a 'perfect' revival. You will never have a revival without emotion. And you will always have some people that get over-emotional. It's the nature of revival. Even those that were genuinely converted, some of them 'backslide'. It's always been that way and it will always be that way in revival. It even happens in time of non-revival. Someone can get 'emotionally saved'. Others that are genuinely saved backslide. It's just how it goes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fuego View Post
    You're not going to have a 'perfect' revival. You will never have a revival without emotion. And you will always have some people that get over-emotional. It's the nature of revival. Even those that were genuinely converted, some of them 'backslide'. It's always been that way and it will always be that way in revival. It even happens in time of non-revival. Someone can get 'emotionally saved'. Others that are genuinely saved backslide. It's just how it goes.
    And some live in sin or believe whatever or idolize ministers etc. But one can try to identify problem areas including things that create embellishments on what is basically going on.

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    I was taught that emotions were of the flesh not the Spirit, so to be discerning. In a heavy revival atmosphere the body is going to have some sort of response.

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    Quote Originally Posted by curly sue View Post
    I was taught that emotions were of the flesh not the Spirit, so to be discerning. In a heavy revival atmosphere the body is going to have some sort of response.
    God has emotions. Are His of the flesh? No. Joy, love, etc, are emotions too, or manifest in the emotions. But they emanate from the spirit and Spirit. The problem comes in when we base our lives on emotion and not principle, the principles of the Word. I can get highly emotional under the influence of the spirit and Spirit, and it's a product of the spirit/Spirit, but it's what I do after those emotions are gone that affects whether I backslide or remain true. We can't live by our emotions. When their gone, we just continue to live our life by the foundation of the Word. We don't base our salvation, victory, or anything else on the emotions, regardless if they're of the flesh or the spirit/Spirit, because we aren't always emotionally 'high'.

    God made us after His image, which means He is emotional too. I thank God for the emotions. I just don't live by them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fuego View Post
    God has emotions. Are His of the flesh? No. Joy, love, etc, are emotions too, or manifest in the emotions. But they emanate from the spirit and Spirit. The problem comes in when we base our lives on emotion and not principle, the principles of the Word. I can get highly emotional under the influence of the spirit and Spirit, and it's a product of the spirit/Spirit, but it's what I do after those emotions are gone that affects whether I backslide or remain true. We can't live by our emotions. When their gone, we just continue to live our life by the foundation of the Word. We don't base our salvation, victory, or anything else on the emotions, regardless if they're of the flesh or the spirit/Spirit, because we aren't always emotionally 'high'.

    God made us after His image, which means He is emotional too. I thank God for the emotions. I just don't live by them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fuego View Post
    God has emotions. Are His of the flesh? No. Joy, love, etc, are emotions too, or manifest in the emotions. But they emanate from the spirit and Spirit. The problem comes in when we base our lives on emotion and not principle, the principles of the Word. I can get highly emotional under the influence of the spirit and Spirit, and it's a product of the spirit/Spirit, but it's what I do after those emotions are gone that affects whether I backslide or remain true. We can't live by our emotions. When their gone, we just continue to live our life by the foundation of the Word. We don't base our salvation, victory, or anything else on the emotions, regardless if they're of the flesh or the spirit/Spirit, because we aren't always emotionally 'high'.

    God made us after His image, which means He is emotional too. I thank God for the emotions. I just don't live by them.
    Emotions can also be carnal or simply reflect the lack of sanctification in our souls. They aren't a spiritual force in and of themselves.

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