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Quest, your bitterness is showing in your responses.
Your lack of mercy is evident.
Perhaps you were not shown mercy and/or are unable to extend mercy to yourself.
I have forgiven everyone who has ever abused me. I truly am free of it. In word and in deed.
Forgiveness can be extended without submitting oneself to the same torment to prove it.
I did answer the question...14 Pursue peace with all men, and the sanctification without which no one will see the Lord. 15 See to it that no one comes short of the grace of God; that no root of bitterness ...
Who and what are we to pursue? Who is it that must see to it that we have no root of bitterness...the culture we are in or us?
I answered the question
The question was what do those verses have to do with divorce . You have pretty much repeatedly expressed that the only two pertinent scriptures to the issue at hand were Jesus words and Paul permitting the unbelieving spouse to depart . All other verses you pretty much dismissed as irrelevant since they werent directly addressing divorce.. But by way of some magic formula you are suddenly deeming other verses relevant to the topic at hand.
Question is why are these verses you have quoted relevant but the verse on a non provider being worse than an infidel relevant ?
Catchy brought bitterness and said it was caused by the culture and the church..I simply pointed out that bitterness is a choice a person makes...
No...Bap...I didn't deem others relevant..
passages that relate to US are relelvant because US is who has to make the decision to trust the Lord and when we do it is US He will be changing in EVERY situation of life.
I can bring in lots of scripture about how the person who chooses to follow the scriptures regarding divorce can grow in the Lord and act on His character through that difficult time...
Here are a few more..
Romans 5:8 ESV /
But God shows his love for us in that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us. (and this is how the man is to love His wife)
1 John 4:8 ESV
Anyone who does not love does not know God, because God is love.
1 Corinthians 13:1-13 ESV
If I speak in the tongues of men and of angels, but have not love, I am a noisy gong or a clanging cymbal. And if I have prophetic powers, and understand all mysteries and all knowledge, and if I have all faith, so as to remove mountains, but have not love, I am nothing. If I give away all I have, and if I deliver up my body to be burned, but have not love, I gain nothing. Love is patient and kind; love does not envy or boast; it is not arrogant or rude. It does not insist on its own way; it is not irritable or resentful; ...
1 Corinthians 13:7 ESV
Love bears all things, believes all things, hopes all things, endures all things.
1 John 4:18 ESV
There is no fear in love, but perfect love casts out fear. For fear has to do with punishment, and whoever fears has not been perfected in love.
1 Corinthians 13:4-7 ESV
Love is patient and kind; love does not envy or boast; it is not arrogant or rude. It does not insist on its own way; it is not irritable or resentful; it does not rejoice at wrongdoing, but rejoices with the truth. Love bears all things, believes all things, hopes all things, endures all things.
Now when the spouse sees justification to leave their other spouse and these passages don't come to mind there is a problem..
THESE fall in the discipline of the Lord..all of these things imply a challenge is present to do otherwise..
Quest, now you sound exactly like people I'm used to from CARM. Where you seem to default back to that thought in sort of a point, they were more like that in a broader sense. As a Norwegian I'm very well acquainted with dry and dead religion of the type that is hard to find in the United States and that is one characteristic of it. In my mind it is situated as far away from Spirit filled Christianity as it is possible to get, in spirit.