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    Quote Originally Posted by Ezekiel 33 View Post
    I have invited him to do just that. So far he has shown no willingness to study the scriptures in context for himself. He just parrots what other cessationists have said and shows no reading comprehension of his own.
    I talked about speaking an extremely intricate language for minutes previously. I could also mention people repenting from sins after hearing my voice speak inside their heads. Not sure if that is tongues or just a miracle but there are many possibilities with tongues. If Webershome is trying to prove that some of what people have spoken is in fact not tongues then everyone here would agree on that, which is quite different to all of it not being tongues. If some of it is tongues then that means that the gift is still operating, at least some times, and Webershome's point becomes moot. Unless he can demonstrate from scripture that the gifts of the Spirit have ceased.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Colonel View Post
    The notion that Paul is knocking uninterpreted tongues is just a narrative based on carefully selected scripture excerpts. Later in the same chapter he says :

    28 But if there is no interpreter, let him keep silent in church, and let him speak to himself and to God.

    18 I thank my God I speak with tongues more than you all;
    19 yet in the church I would rather speak five words with my understanding, that I may teach others also, than ten thousand words in a tongue.

    He doesn't treat tongues as an ill unless they are interpreted, only specifically in a public message setting. And how could he when the Holy Spirit is the source of the uninterpreted tongues ? Some people treat the Holy Spirit and his workings as a disease unless they make sense to them, as if the Holy Spirit were some evil entity that takes hold of people and messes them up. That is close to blaspheming the Holy Spirit just like Jesus told the Pharisees they were when they claimed that he was operating in demonic power. If the allegation is made in sincerity and not merely as mindless mockery, that is. People should be careful with that, repenting from Holy Spirit blasphemy is impossible and the end is eternity in hell.
    Exactly. One must always remember Paul's discussion there is pertaining to tongues in an assembly. So when he says he'd rather speak 5 words in a known tongue, it's in reference to being in an assembly, not a general statement about tongues. But even then, he always adds EXCEPT, the exception being that it is interpreted. So speak in tongues in an assembly all you want as long as you bring forth the understanding.

    "And how could he when the Holy Spirit is the source of the uninterpreted tongues?"

    One thing about this statement that has nothing to do with the discussion, but I like to bring this up for people who speak in tongues, but say you can't speak any time you want to (I still know a few that think like this). If tongues were controlled by the Holy Spirit, and we couldn't yield any time we want to, then Paul should have been correcting the Holy Spirit Himself in chapter 14 because it would have been the Holy Spirit that was making people speak in tongues out of order, and then the Holy Spirit not interpreting either. The very fact Paul is trying to teach them how to do it in order shows tongues is under the control of the person, not under the control of the Holy Spirit.

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    1 Cor 14 also says that the spirits of prophets are under the control of the prophets. Same thing as tongues, including the ones that can be spoken at any time. They still require the empowering of the Holy Spirit, they aren't merely our human spirits speaking at will.

    An example of tongues not really being tongues is the account of two people committing adultery and claiming to be right with God because they spoke in tongues while having sex with each other. That's not tongues because it was empowered by the flesh and not by the Holy Spirit. One has to be in the Spirit to speak in actual tongues.

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    WebersHome ought to attempt to establish the cessation of the gifts based on scripture.
    See post #13

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    Quote Originally Posted by Colonel View Post
    1 Cor 14 also says that the spirits of prophets are under the control of the prophets. Same thing as tongues, including the ones that can be spoken at any time. They still require the empowering of the Holy Spirit, they aren't merely our human spirits speaking at will.
    Right. But His empowering is His presence that has filled us. If one is truly baptized in the Holy Spirit, than can speak in tongues at will. As you quoted the spirit of the prophet is subject to the prophet. "I WILL pray in the spirit..."

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    Here you pretend that biblical tongues are always earthly languages spoken to people and with interpretation if they don't understand them. As demonstrated many times in this thread, that is not the case.

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    1Cor 13:8-10 . .Whether there be tongues, they shall cease; yada, yada, yada, yada.

    God introduced tongues during the Tower Of Babel incident recorded in Gen 11:1-9. He did that to break up world unification. Apparently it was God's judgment that world unification in those days was not a good thing. Well; the language barrier remains in place today; so I'm assuming that world unification in our day is still not a good thing.

    In other words: today's world is an imperfect world. But according to 2Pet 3:1-13 and the 21st chapter of Revelation, a new world order is on its way; a perfect world that can be trusted with global unification so there will be no need for a control measure to thwart an all-out proliferation of evil.

    But until that perfect world is up and running, there will continue to be a need for the gift of tongues so that Jesus' followers can fulfill his edict to "Go into all the world and preach the gospel to everyone everywhere." and to "Teach them all things whatsoever I have commanded you."

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    Quote Originally Posted by fuego View Post
    Right. But His empowering is His presence that has filled us. If one is truly baptized in the Holy Spirit, than can speak in tongues at will. As you quoted the spirit of the prophet is subject to the prophet. "I WILL pray in the spirit..."
    Some ex-Christians claim to still be able to speak in tongues and they no longer have the Spirit at all. What they do is mimic the tongues that they once spoke in the Spirit and that they have listened to, according to their own power. The same way, Spirit filled believers may mimic their own tongues while they are sinning or walking according to the flesh. Sometimes they will do that in order to feel spiritual and justified in what they are doing, imagining that they are "in the Spirit" since they are able to "speak in tongues". The self justifying adulterers I mentioned are certainly not the first example of that that I have heard of.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WebersHome View Post
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    1Cor 13:8-10 . .Whether there be tongues, they shall cease; yada, yada, yada, yada.

    God introduced tongues during the Tower Of Babel incident recorded in Gen 11:1-9. He did that to break up world unification. Apparently it was God's judgment that world unification in those days was not a good thing. Well; the language barrier remains in place today; so I'm assuming that world unification in our day is still not a good thing.

    In other words: today's world is an imperfect world. But according to 2Pet 3:1-13 and the 21st chapter of Revelation, a new world order is on its way; a perfect world that can be trusted with global unification so there will be no need for a control measure to thwart an all-out proliferation of evil.

    But until that perfect world is up and running, there will continue to be a need for the gift of tongues so that Jesus' followers can fulfill his edict to "Go into all the world and preach the gospel to everyone everywhere." and to "Teach them all things whatsoever I have commanded you."

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    This post is not a discussion...it is a single scripture taken out of context with an opinion attached...do you believe truth is established in single verse taken out of context?

    To prove your interpretation is correct you need at LEAST TWO scriptures, IN context and that are compatible with the whole of scripture....

    This proves you have not really studied the subject for yourself...you simply accepted someone else's conclusion..Weber, that is so sad...that is an indicator of 'indoctrination'. You do seem to have placed your confidence in men and not God...

    Why are there over 3000 denominations in the world? Yet only ONE Kingdom of God, One Lord, One Spirit....

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    Quote Originally Posted by WebersHome View Post
    See post #13

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    Post 13....1 Corinthians 13:7-9New International Version (NIV)

    7 It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres.

    8 Love never fails. But where there are prophecies, they will cease; where there are tongues, they will be stilled; where there is knowledge, it will pass away. 9 For we know in part and we prophesy in part,

    So prophesies ceased, knowledge passed away.......Paul states, " FOR WE KNOW IN PART AND WE PROPHESY IN PART...so prophesy was still taking place at this point....and so was tongues....WHY?

    Now prove that the completion of compiling of scripture into the BIBLE was the point of cessation....

    Vs 12 For now we see only a reflection as in a mirror; then we shall see face to face. Now I know in part; then I shall know fully, even as I am fully known.

    Do you believe this means the Bible? The context is not speaking at all about the compiling of scripture....so you need to prove the yada yada yada part is...

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