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    A dream vision

    I had this vision last night. None of it's symbolic, all of it was totally real. The parts that I can describe visually rather than the myriad of intricate details, that is.

    Before I knew what was going on, I saw a group of people standing in front of several small buildings. They all had ordinary clothes on and they all had their hand in their pants and were masturbating, both men and women. They had that look on their faces and they looked very sad apart from looking like they were in a trance.

    An audible voice spoke in the dream and he said "that's a cult".

    Then the camera zoomed out a bit and I saw several UFOs hanging over them in the sky. They looked somewhat like flying saucers from some of the photos that exist of such things. I instantly knew that some of the photos must be real, just like God told me once that a few of the photos that exist of ghost phenomena are in fact real.

    Then the camera panned downwards until that whole scene disappeared and there was a more intricate and very colorful landscape. Somewhere in the middle there was a long line of humanlike creatures with very strange skin colors. The ones my eyes were focused on had a dark blue color and looked like hindu gods returned. Others were green and so on. Some looked male, some female. They all had one common feature, they had no eyeballs. Their eye sockets were covered by skin of the same color and it looked natural to them. They were all able to see without eyes.

    The audible voice spoke again and he said "People are interacting with them already and they are REAL"

    He didn't need to tell me that they are fallen angels, I knew that already.

    Then I woke up. It didn't seem like a dream, it was more like a vision while in a dream state.

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    As in the days of Noah............

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ezekiel 33 View Post
    As in the days of Noah............
    Maybe ? I was thinking that fallen angels must have interacted with people in the shape of hindu gods at some point. There are 1.2 billion people living in India and most of them are Hindus. More people than in the Western world combined. So maybe that is what they are focusing on or in the process of focusing on over there. The vision was vague about what level of interaction is involved but it does at least amount to their appearing to be present in physical form at times. It doesn't necessarily mean that they allow anyone to touch them - this is just a thought.
    From my impression of what I saw (and it was real) I'd say people would have to be perverts to try to have sex with them, they were clearly non-human. Even with what appears to be the opposite gender. But you never know what devotees might make themselves engage in.

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    Just so you understand where I'm coming from. I haven't been studying or even thinking about this theme for months before I had that vision.

    Gal 1:6 I marvel that you are turning away so soon from Him who called you in the grace of Christ, to a different gospel, 7 which is not another; but there are some who trouble you and want to pervert the gospel of Christ. 8 But even if we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel to you than what we have preached to you, let him be accursed.

    An angel preaching a different gospel would be a fallen angel. So they can appear to people. The corresponding forces of light keep them in check so that rarely happens but where darkness rules among men it may be easier for them to manifest.

    Do they appear in their original heavenly body, the one God gave them (whether it has been corrupted by their turning to evil or not) ? Not necessarily.

    2 Cor 11:14 And no wonder! For Satan himself transforms himself into an angel of light.

    Like the false apostles Paul is talking about, Satan shows himself in a form that is not according to what he is really like. Did God create angels with blue bodies and no eyeballs ? I dare say he didn't. Were they corrupted into looking (exactly) like that by turning to evil ? Probably not. But they transform themselves into something that they see as fitting the task that they set before themselves as they manifest before people. Satan would transform himself into what appears to be an angel of light from heaven in order to deceive Christians but they may transform themselves into different forms when the audience is different. Extraterrestrials to the science minded, hindu gods to hinduists and like minded. Perhaps the Mahdi (Islamic messiah) to Muslims, I don't know.

    I'd expect the beings that I saw in the vision to be able to talk, sit on a chair, create vibrations in the floor when walking, to open a door etc. I'm not sure if that is because they are present in an actual fleshly form or if they merely affect their surroundings by way of demonic power so as to appear to be present in a fleshly form. It's quite possible that they would keep people at bay and are here merely to give instructions to devotees who observe them at some distance.

    Let's say that their level of interaction is such that devotees would have sex with them. Would that result in offspring ? I think not. God didn't create them with the ability to procreate with humans and they can't just give themselves the ability as if they possess creative abilities. They could possibly mess around with a human fetus until the resulting baby looks or seems like a hybrid then trick devotees into thinking that they are the actual offspring of a hindu god + human union.

    I'm not sure exactly what happened in Genesis 6 but there is no question that fallen angels are still around and would like to influence human beings as much as possible.

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    There's one thing that fallen angels don't have the ability to do, they can't just manifest in physical form and live here on Earth, among men. To show themselves to the world, talk to anyone they can approach, do anything their physical faculties would allow them to, wield demonic power through their physical form any way they want etc.

    The Bible talks about the antichrist and he's described as a man. A man is fully present here in this world during his lifetime, he's not limited in the ways that fallen angels and demons are. He may be possessed by a large number of demons and those demons may be more or less successful at controlling and influencing him and at wielding demonic power through him. Not to the point where they have simply taken over his body and do whatever they wish, even the men from Gadarene who were possessed by legions of demons weren't that bad. They were still human at all.

    A constellation where a demon possessed person receives instructions and guidance from fallen angels is a very dangerous one however. They end up complimenting each other in terms of strengths. It gets worse when authority figures who are more or less non-religious employ people who are in touch with fallen angels (extraterrestrials, hindu gods or whatever they think they are dealing with) as advisors. Then the devotee becomes an activist or lobbyist for the devil. This is a real danger in India where Hinduism is an honored religion but it's also a danger in the Western world where new age and spiritualism in many forms are present and devotees of such things may be employed as advisors for other reasons than specifically their devotion to those things.

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    There's one thing that fallen angels don't have the ability to do, they can't just manifest in physical form and live here on Earth, among men.

    How do you know?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nikos View Post
    How do you know?
    There's nothing in the Bible that suggests that they do so. They are always relegated to being "the powers of the air" or similar. One could envision a future where the Church has been raptured and fallen angels have a more permanent presence because the Holy Spirit has departed but there is nothing that suggests that the Church will have to deal with fallen angels that are permanently present in the flesh.

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