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    I don't see any reason to believe that Quest but the wording is sufficiently convoluted in places that it's possible to interpret that as non-universalism then force that interpretation onto the rest. I think I'm done with that mess.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nikos View Post
    If the man says he is not a Universalist then he is not. Trying to spin his thinking into what you want them to believe will not work. I am not a fan of him or his book. But I do accept him at his word.

    I did accept his word he wasn't a universalist even though I expressed concerns about his God the Father metaphor

    Now he comes up with this latest book and more weird comments - I don't think we can just ignore them

    You have to ask - Why are inclusionists reading inclusionism into the book as they are not criticising him but happy with what he wrote
    The old saying comes to mind - wheres there smoke ....


    IMO he is untrustworthy and is not acting with sincerity - he needs to make CLEAR CONCISE statements what he believes NOW as his latest book has revealed more confusing comments

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    If he says he is not, then he is not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nikos View Post
    If he says he is not, then he is not.
    How do you know ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nikos View Post
    If he says he is not, then he is not.

    Why would a theologian use the phrase 'hopeful universalist' to describe himself. He knows the word 'universalist' has specific meaning and then he tries to put his twist on it.
    He denies he is a universalist but he leaves room for doubts in peoples minds - if you can't see that then we have to agree to disagree

    I believe the christian community deserves a clear cut statement on heaven, hell and eternal life as these are basic doctrines.

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