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    Quote Originally Posted by Romans828 View Post
    OK, I just asked Hubby, and he said...

    "You can attend a funeral without supporting the gay lifestyle of the minister"

    He also said "What if the minister was an adulterer or fornicator - Would you boycott the funeral because of that sin too?" (Because many of them are*)

    *We've been in ministry for almost 30 years, and we know for a fact that's true - One pastor even had twins by the wife of the deacon of his church)
    Your husband sounds like a wise and Godly man.

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    Your "unequally yoked" passage doesn't apply to the situation either.
    That's absolutely false and in the end you will see that the Lord does not approve... but, if it makes you feel better you can play like you're right. The New Testament clearly teaches us to not walk with the world... minister to them, yes... walk in unity with them, ah no.

    Major major, growing problem among those that claim to be Christians is... acting like the world acts, being "friends" with them.

    The world thinks it's all good and whatever others are into is total cooL... but when Christians do it, salt has lost it's savior and sinners lose respect cause they see that you are no different than them... the thing they are desperately needing to see from Christians... that we are actually set apart unto the Lord, showing the way unto salvation!

    But sadly, Christians are just religi9us having a form of godliness and denying the power of a new life in Christ Jesus... you ain't not different from the gay unbeliever by having no problem with being in agreement with them by having no objection to their lifestyle and more importantly... showing the way of salvation as being set apart from the world and belonging to Jesus Christ exclusively.

    Jesus was right... many will come in His Name claiming to be anointed and will deceive many!

    That will obviously not end well for those that do this... unless they repent, forsake their sin and get right with the Lord.

    James 4:4-7

    Ye adulterers and adulteresses, know ye not that the friendship of the world is enmity with God? whosoever therefore will be a friend of the world is the enemy of God.
    Do ye think that the scripture saith in vain, The spirit that dwelleth in us lusteth to envy?
    But he giveth more grace. Wherefore he saith, God resisteth the proud, but giveth grace unto the humble.
    Submit yourselves therefore to God. Resist the devil, and he will flee from you.


    When Christians get suckered in to agreement with sin, satan smiles.

    Being humble before the Lord is being set apart unto Him exclusively.... this is being lost in the gowning apostate church and it's a sad state of affairs.

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    No one here is advocating friendship with the world system FT. You have to be friendly to the lost without being caught up in their sins if you are going to show them the love of the Father.

    The quote you insist applies has nothing to do with the situation. Dr. Brown wasn't hanging out with the gay rabbi and going to gay orgies with him or anything. What he was doing is treating him as a human being who is valuable to God. So valuable that God sent Jesus to die for him and offer him salvation. Because of that, there is hope that the man might see the love of God through Dr. Brown and respond to the truth of the gospel message.

    We are told to be in the world but not of the world. A light who is afraid to shine into the darkness is useless in the kingdom of God.

    Check your heart bro, because I found a picture of it in the gospel of Luke:



    Luke 7:37-39(NKJV)

    37 And behold, a woman in the city who was a sinner, when she knew that Jesus sat at the table in the Pharisee’s house, brought an alabaster flask of fragrant oil, 38 and stood at His feet behind Him weeping; and she began to wash His feet with her tears, and wiped them with the hair of her head; and she kissed His feet and anointed them with the fragrant oil. 39 Now when the Pharisee who had invited Him saw this, he spoke to himself, saying, “This Man, if He were a prophet, would know who and what manner of woman this is who is touching Him, for she is a sinner.”

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ezekiel 33 View Post
    No one here is advocating friendship with the world system FT. You have to be friendly to the lost without being caught up in their sins if you are going to show them the love of the Father.

    The quote you insist applies has nothing to do with the situation. Dr. Brown wasn't hanging out with the gay rabbi and going to gay orgies with him or anything. What he was doing is treating him as a human being who is valuable to God. So valuable that God sent Jesus to die for him and offer him salvation. Because of that, there is hope that the man might see the love of God through Dr. Brown and respond to the truth of the gospel message.

    We are told to be in the world but not of the world. A light who is afraid to shine into the darkness is useless in the kingdom of God.

    Check your heart bro, because I found a picture of it in the gospel of Luke:
    We have to deal with the world in an effective way for the sake of the Gospel, and we may be one of the few/only people that have the open-door to reach them, BECAUSE we approach them with the love of God. One checkpoint is: Are they polluting me, or am I influencing them?

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    I Corinthians 5:9-13
    (9) I wrote unto you in an epistle not to company with fornicators:
    (10) Yet not altogether with the fornicators of this world, or with the covetous, or extortioners, or with idolaters; for then must ye needs go out of the world.
    (11) But now I have written unto you not to keep company, if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolater, or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner; with such an one no not to eat.
    (12) For what have I to do to judge them also that are without? do not ye judge them that are within?
    (13) But them that are without God judgeth. Therefore put away from among yourselves that wicked person.

    This I say therefore, and testify in the Lord, that ye henceforth walk not as other Gentiles walk, in the vanity (futility) of their mind, having the understanding darkened...
    (Ephesians 4:17-18)

    Blessed is the man that walketh not in the counsel of the ungodly...
    (Psalm 1)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Farm Truck View Post
    Letting his sister wear the pants in the family is obviously a problem... it was his mother too, so he should take the leadership role and either make the change or opt out of the service.

    2 of my siblings have converted to Catholicism... and our mom is up in the years, so some day when she passes I'd imagine I will be faced with having to deal with them wanting to have her service at a Catholic church with a priest doing the service... I will tell them this is ungodly because Catholicism is not of God and there ain't no purgatory so I'll have to opt out of the service and not attend if this is what they decide to do.

    In other words, we gonna have a come to Jesus meeting over this and the devils that are driving this situation will be all upset claiming I'm being a bigot, mean, rude, and whatever other adjectives they want to throw at me... but, none the less I am a Christian and it is my calling to advocate for Jesus Christ being Lord and my Bible does not teach me to compromise like Micheal Brown is doing not only in this situation but also in his standing with false teacher Bill Johnson.

    I've enjoyed much of his teaching and I enjoy his ability to speak truth in a nice way... but sadly he is starting to cave just like some many other ministers as Satan is throwing a lot of fuel on the great falling away and deceiving people in to thinking that sometimes it's OK to compromises what God's Word teaches.

    It's a sad situation, but God said this would happen in the end times... He was right....


    The end of all things is near. Therefore be alert and of sober mind so that you may pray. Above all, love each other deeply, because love covers over a multitude of sins. Offer hospitality to one another without grumbling. Each of you should use whatever gift you have received to serve others, as faithful stewards of God's grace in its various forms. 1 Peter 4:7-10 (New International Version)

    What Kind

    But God showed his great love for us by sending Christ to die for us while we were still sinners. Romans 5:8 (New Living Translation)

    Of Caving In

    "For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life. John 3:16 (English Standard Version)

    Is This I Ask, Dear Brother

    and from Jesus Christ, the faithful witness, the firstborn from the dead, and the ruler of the kings of the earth. To Him who loves us and has released us from our sins by His blood, Revelation 1:5 (Berean Study Bible)

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    The LORD bless thee, and keep thee:
    The LORD make his face shine upon thee, and be gracious unto thee:
    The LORD lift up his countenance upon thee, and give thee peace.

    And they shall put my name upon the children of Israel; and I will bless them.
    Numbers 6:24-27 (King James Bible)

    Love, Your Brother Joe

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    Read it to be wise, believe it to be safe, and practice it to be holy. It contains light to direct you, food to support you, and comfort to cheer you.

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    Christ is its grand subject, our good its design, and the glory of God its end. It should fill the memory, rule the heart and guide the feet. Read it slowly, frequently and prayerfully. It is a mine of wealth, a paradise of glory, and a river of pleasure.

    It is given you in life, will be opened at the judgment, and be remembered forever. It involves the highest responsibility, rewards the greatest labor, and will condemn all who trifle with its sacred contents.


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    Check your heart bro
    I get it... I'm somehow evil because I would not allow a gay unbeliever to officiate my own mother's funeral... that IS in fact a measure of agreement with darkness to do so. When Jesus went to the Cross, He turned over the care of His momma to John... reckon He should have considered the town drunk to take care of her? NO, Jesus honored His mom and left her in the hands of someone who was upright before the Lord.

    You can witness to the guy without allowing him to bring in that which is filthy and unclean to your own momma's funeral??? Really, you'd do that to yo momma??? You must be a yankee... down south we have more respect for our elders than that.

    You've obviously been deceived by the deception of this age to believe it's OK to have agreement with that which is unclean... nobody is saying to not be polite and to not witness to them... but you are sadly mistaken if you think the world respects you because you seemingly have no problem with their sin (thats what they think as you stand by smiling)... that demonstrates to them and makes them think you are weak and do not stand for the faith that you espouse.

    Check your heart bro... it's got compromise in it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Farm Truck View Post
    You've obviously been deceived by the deception of this age to believe....


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    For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you. Matthew 7:2 (New International Version)

    Of Southern Respect For The Aged

    "You shall stand up before the gray head and honor the face of an old man, and you shall fear your God: I am the LORD. Leviticus 19:32 (English Standard Version)

    I Am Blessed

    Now that I am old and gray, do not abandon me, O God. Let me proclaim your power to this new generation, your mighty miracles to all who come after me. Psalms 71:18 (New Living Translation)

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    "She will bear a Son; and you shall call His name Jesus, for He will save His people from their sins." Matthew 1:21 (New American Standard Bible)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Farm Truck View Post
    I get it... I'm somehow evil because I would not allow a gay unbeliever to officiate my own mother's funeral... that IS in fact a measure of agreement with darkness to do so. When Jesus went to the Cross, He turned over the care of His momma to John... reckon He should have considered the town drunk to take care of her? NO, Jesus honored His mom and left her in the hands of someone who was upright before the Lord.

    You can witness to the guy without allowing him to bring in that which is filthy and unclean to your own momma's funeral??? Really, you'd do that to yo momma??? You must be a yankee... down south we have more respect for our elders than that.

    You've obviously been deceived by the deception of this age to believe it's OK to have agreement with that which is unclean... nobody is saying to not be polite and to not witness to them... but you are sadly mistaken if you think the world respects you because you seemingly have no problem with their sin (thats what they think as you stand by smiling)... that demonstrates to them and makes them think you are weak and do not stand for the faith that you espouse.

    Check your heart bro... it's got compromise in it.
    I'm not o.k. with any form of sin bro. Don't even know where you got that concept from.

    While we know that Dr. Brown's mother was not at the funeral, we do know that he allowed his living sister some measure of comfort instead of pushing her further away from the grace of God. He can still reach her. If I read correctly, Dr. Brown and the rabbi both spoke at the funeral.

    All sin is unclean. It is darkness. But we are commanded to let the light of Christ shine through us into the darkness.

    In your reasoning, Jesus should have thrown the first stone at the woman caught in the very act of adultery. He had every right to, because He was without sin. So as He spoke "Let he who is without sin cast the first stone", He surely could have. But that is not what He did. He showed her the love of the Father, and told her that He didn't condemn her. He then told her to go and sin no more. I am sure that her life was changed that day.

    Sadly, I don't believe that you would have given her that chance. I get the feeling that you would have sought out the largest stone you could find and commenced stoning her.

    God is holy. We are called to be holy. We are also called to show His love to the lost, each and every one of them.

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    All sin is unclean. It is darkness. But we are commanded to let the light of Christ shine through us into the darkness
    And... what better way to honor the Lord than to allow a gay unbeliever to lead a funeral service for one's own momma!

    If you think this pleases the Lord... compromise has gone to new heights in your life and you are oblivious to it!

    Matthew 6:22,23
    The light of the body is the eye: if therefore thine eye be single, thy whole body shall be full of light.
    But if thine eye be evil, thy whole body shall be full of darkness. If therefore the light that is in thee be darkness, how great is that darkness!


    You're deceived if you think the world respects you for being in agreement with, and putting up with their sin...

    The salt has lost it's savor!

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