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    Alt-Right Exults in Donald Trump's Election With a Salute: 'Heil Victory'

    http://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/21/us...=top-news&_r=0

    WASHINGTON — By the time Richard B. Spencer, the leading ideologue of the alt-right movement and the final speaker of the night, rose to address a gathering of his followers on Saturday, the crowd was restless.

    In 11 hours of speeches and panel discussions in a federal building named after Ronald Reagan a few blocks from the White House, a succession of speakers had laid out a harsh vision for the future, but had denounced violence and said that Hispanic citizens and black Americans had nothing to fear. Earlier in the day, Mr. Spencer himself had urged the group to start acting less like an underground organization and more like the establishment.

    But now his tone changed as he began to tell the audience of more than 200 people, mostly young men, what they had been waiting to hear. He railed against Jews and, with a smile, quoted Nazi propaganda in the original German. America, he said, belonged to white people, whom he called the "children of the sun," a race of conquerors and creators who had been marginalized but now, in the era of President-elect Donald J. Trump, were "awakening to their own identity."

    As he finished, several audience members had their arms outstretched in a Nazi salute. When Mr. Spencer, or perhaps another person standing near him at the front of the room — it was not clear who — shouted, "Heil the people! Heil victory," the room shouted it back.

    The real Church of Jesus Christ needs to rise up and confront this mess in Jesus name!!

    The devil is a lie!!

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    FaithfulOne, you are correct! the devil IS a liar and he will continue to polarize the people.

    To be honest, I don't believe that Trump will give them the time of day. He wants, from what I, personally have come to believe, to unite the country, not divide it more.

    I'm of German decent. My mom had brothers and sisters who went overseas to fight AGAINST the Germans in WW2. They faced discrimination here in Canada during that time because of their German heritage.

    WE have a Liberal government with a pretty face at its head. The only jobs this young man has had is a ski instructor and a high school drama teacher. His father, Pierre Elliot Trudeau was a TERRIBLE Prime Minister and young Justin's "leadership" is going to be devastating to Canada.

    What I see in that article is a stronghold of the enemy, to hate people who are not like themselves and we have to recognize that we ARE in the end times and things are going to get worse.

    2 Timothy 3:1-5New International Version (NIV)
    But mark this: There will be terrible times in the last days. 2 People will be lovers of themselves, lovers of money, boastful, proud, abusive, disobedient to their parents, ungrateful, unholy, 3 without love, unforgiving, slanderous, without self-control, brutal, not lovers of the good, 4 treacherous, rash, conceited, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God— 5 having a form of godliness but denying its power. Have nothing to do with such people.

    And on the flipside of that Scripture:
    2 Chronicles 7:14
    New International Version
    if my people, who are called by my name, will humble themselves and pray and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, then I will hear from heaven, and I will forgive their sin and will heal their land.

    WHERE are the Christian leaders who will call their land to pray, to seek the Lord's face in humility?

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    The New York Times, other outlets crying 'wolf' over Trump
    By Joe Concha - 11/21/16 12:11 PM EST
    http://thehill.com/blogs/pundits-blo...olf-over-trump

    It’s now Day 13 since the media declared it needed to do some serious soul-searching and rethink the way it covers Donald Trump.

    Here are your headlines in today’s New York Times:

    Trump Turns Staid Cabinet Process Into Spectacle

    Alt-Right Exults in Election With Salute of ‘Heil Victory’

    Indian Business Partners Hope to Exploit Trump Ties

    Many in Milwaukee Neighborhood Didn’t Vote — And Don’t Regret It

    Let’s Say Obamacare Is Repealed. What Then?

    Critic’s Notebook: ‘Hamilton’ Duel: Addressing the President-Elect on His Own Blunt Terms

    How Fake News Goes Viral: A Case Study...


    ...All told, all but one of these stories and editorials can safely be deemed anti-Trump. Only one analysis can be considered to be down-the-middle: "Let’s Say Obamacare Is Repealed. What Then?" And of course, the editorials especially are so far off the rails in terms of negativity that it's almost comical in its hysteria. ...


    ...This kind of Monday morning offering also comes days after the Times reported that "Firings And Discord Put Trump Transition Team In State Of Disarray" despite it being just one week since Trump had won the election and with 71 days to go until the inauguration.

    David Axelrod, President Obama's 2008 campaign manager who was appointed to the role of Senior Adviser after the election, cautioned the Times of its hyperbole while showing the paper simply hadn't done basic homework in its rush to judgment....


    ...We've all heard the story of the boy who cried wolf. Now we're seeing the story written before our eyes of a media that not only hasn't learned a thing from its election coverage where it completely embarrassed itself to the point it may never recover from an integrity perspective.

    Call the Times "The Media That Cried Wolf." And we all know what happened to the boy who cried wolf too often: People stopped listening.

    And it's not just the Times. Visit the Washington Post or Politico or any cable news outlet not with the letters F, O, or X in it on Monday and you'll see an overwhelming wave of negativity.

    That's not to say, of course, Trump should get a pass or extended honeymoon here. It's just a simple plea: Cover the good stuff with the same vigor and focus as the bad....

    This I say therefore, and testify in the Lord, that ye henceforth walk not as other Gentiles walk, in the vanity (futility) of their mind, having the understanding darkened...
    (Ephesians 4:17-18)

    Blessed is the man that walketh not in the counsel of the ungodly...
    (Psalm 1)

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    Quote Originally Posted by A.J. View Post
    FaithfulOne, you are correct! the devil IS a liar and he will continue to polarize the people.

    To be honest, I don't believe that Trump will give them the time of day. He wants, from what I, personally have come to believe, to unite the country, not divide it more.

    I'm of German decent. My mom had brothers and sisters who went overseas to fight AGAINST the Germans in WW2. They faced discrimination here in Canada during that time because of their German heritage.

    WE have a Liberal government with a pretty face at its head. The only jobs this young man has had is a ski instructor and a high school drama teacher. His father, Pierre Elliot Trudeau was a TERRIBLE Prime Minister and young Justin's "leadership" is going to be devastating to Canada.

    What I see in that article is a stronghold of the enemy, to hate people who are not like themselves and we have to recognize that we ARE in the end times and things are going to get worse.

    2 Timothy 3:1-5New International Version (NIV)
    But mark this: There will be terrible times in the last days. 2 People will be lovers of themselves, lovers of money, boastful, proud, abusive, disobedient to their parents, ungrateful, unholy, 3 without love, unforgiving, slanderous, without self-control, brutal, not lovers of the good, 4 treacherous, rash, conceited, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God— 5 having a form of godliness but denying its power. Have nothing to do with such people.

    And on the flipside of that Scripture:
    2 Chronicles 7:14
    New International Version
    if my people, who are called by my name, will humble themselves and pray and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, then I will hear from heaven, and I will forgive their sin and will heal their land.

    WHERE are the Christian leaders who will call their land to pray, to seek the Lord's face in humility?
    I'm sorry A.J, you know I love you sis, BUT until he clearly and strongly condemns and repudiates these "alt"-type groups, and makes it clear he doesn't need or want their support, then I will continue to question and look with a suspicious eye.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GodismyJudge View Post

    The New York Times, other outlets crying 'wolf' over Trump
    By Joe Concha - 11/21/16 12:11 PM EST
    http://thehill.com/blogs/pundits-blo...olf-over-trump

    It’s now Day 13 since the media declared it needed to do some serious soul-searching and rethink the way it covers Donald Trump.

    Here are your headlines in today’s New York Times:

    Trump Turns Staid Cabinet Process Into Spectacle

    Alt-Right Exults in Election With Salute of ‘Heil Victory’

    Indian Business Partners Hope to Exploit Trump Ties

    Many in Milwaukee Neighborhood Didn’t Vote — And Don’t Regret It

    Let’s Say Obamacare Is Repealed. What Then?

    Critic’s Notebook: ‘Hamilton’ Duel: Addressing the President-Elect on His Own Blunt Terms

    How Fake News Goes Viral: A Case Study...


    ...All told, all but one of these stories and editorials can safely be deemed anti-Trump. Only one analysis can be considered to be down-the-middle: "Let’s Say Obamacare Is Repealed. What Then?" And of course, the editorials especially are so far off the rails in terms of negativity that it's almost comical in its hysteria. ...


    ...This kind of Monday morning offering also comes days after the Times reported that "Firings And Discord Put Trump Transition Team In State Of Disarray" despite it being just one week since Trump had won the election and with 71 days to go until the inauguration.

    David Axelrod, President Obama's 2008 campaign manager who was appointed to the role of Senior Adviser after the election, cautioned the Times of its hyperbole while showing the paper simply hadn't done basic homework in its rush to judgment....


    ...We've all heard the story of the boy who cried wolf. Now we're seeing the story written before our eyes of a media that not only hasn't learned a thing from its election coverage where it completely embarrassed itself to the point it may never recover from an integrity perspective.

    Call the Times "The Media That Cried Wolf." And we all know what happened to the boy who cried wolf too often: People stopped listening.

    And it's not just the Times. Visit the Washington Post or Politico or any cable news outlet not with the letters F, O, or X in it on Monday and you'll see an overwhelming wave of negativity.

    That's not to say, of course, Trump should get a pass or extended honeymoon here. It's just a simple plea: Cover the good stuff with the same vigor and focus as the bad....

    Is this a lie from the NYT or no? Or is it just "negative" but the truth?

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    Quote Originally Posted by FaithfulOne View Post
    Is this a lie from the NYT or no? Or is it just "negative" but the truth?
    The press ignored President Obama's actual radical connections to Ayers and Dorn and many others, and did the same with Hillary and Saul Alinski. but are they are more than willing to magnify the smallest of supposed connections to attach to Trump any nut job group that promotes him.

    It's a matter of perspective and emphasis.

    The narrative that liberals promote is far more subtle and far more dangerous than the most outspoken racist idiots are.

    Satan disguises himself as an angel of light and so do his ministers.
    This I say therefore, and testify in the Lord, that ye henceforth walk not as other Gentiles walk, in the vanity (futility) of their mind, having the understanding darkened...
    (Ephesians 4:17-18)

    Blessed is the man that walketh not in the counsel of the ungodly...
    (Psalm 1)

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    Quote Originally Posted by GodismyJudge View Post
    The press ignored President Obama's actual radical connections to Ayers and Dorn and many others, and did the same with Hillary and Saul Alinski. but are they are more than willing to magnify the smallest of supposed connections to attach to Trump any nut job group that promotes him.

    It's a matter of perspective and emphasis.

    The narrative that liberals promote is far more subtle and far more dangerous than the most outspoken racist idiots are.

    Satan disguises himself as an angel of light and so do his ministers.
    Sorry, don't buy that.

    None of the people you named burned crosses in people's yards, lynched anyone, denied people the right to live anywhere, eat anywhere or sit anywhere on a bus. Nor did they exterminate millions of those they deemed "different" from them.

    Be careful who you (general "you", not anyone specific here) find "common ground" with.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FaithfulOne View Post
    Sorry, don't buy that.

    None of the people you named burned crosses in people's yards, lynched anyone, denied people the right to live anywhere, eat anywhere or sit anywhere on a bus. Nor did they exterminate millions of those they deemed "different" from them.

    Be careful who you (general "you", not anyone specific here) find "common ground" with.

    Ayers and Dorn set off bombs at a police station!

    Alinski devoted his book of radical ideas, embraced by both Obama and Hillary, to satan!

    That's hardcore.

    I would say the same thing, be aware who you (general you) find common ground with.
    This I say therefore, and testify in the Lord, that ye henceforth walk not as other Gentiles walk, in the vanity (futility) of their mind, having the understanding darkened...
    (Ephesians 4:17-18)

    Blessed is the man that walketh not in the counsel of the ungodly...
    (Psalm 1)

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    Quote Originally Posted by GodismyJudge View Post
    Ayers and Dorn set off bombs at a police station!

    Alinski devoted his book of radical ideas, embraced by both Obama and Hillary, to satan!

    That's hardcore.

    I would say the same thing, be aware who you (general you) find common ground with.
    I never said I have "common ground" with any of them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FaithfulOne View Post
    I never said I have "common ground" with any of them.
    But yet, you believe that Trump and his supporters have common ground with the types you just listed?

    Quote Originally Posted by FaithfulOne View Post
    ...None of the people you named burned crosses in people's yards, lynched anyone, denied people the right to live anywhere, eat anywhere or sit anywhere on a bus. Nor did they exterminate millions of those they deemed "different" from them.

    Be careful who you (general "you", not anyone specific here) find "common ground" with.
    This I say therefore, and testify in the Lord, that ye henceforth walk not as other Gentiles walk, in the vanity (futility) of their mind, having the understanding darkened...
    (Ephesians 4:17-18)

    Blessed is the man that walketh not in the counsel of the ungodly...
    (Psalm 1)

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