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    Some of Old Testament Judaism's holidays are festive, but not Yom Kippur. It's not a day for celebration. It's a day to be unhappy; viz: a day to afflict oneself; which Webster's defines as causing distress so severely as to cause persistent suffering and/or anguish. (Lev 16:29, Lev 16:31, Lev 23:27, and Lev 23:32)

    It is both illegal and curse-worthy for Jews to be joyous at any time during Yom Kippur.

    Lev 23:29 . . For whatsoever soul it be that shall not be afflicted in that same day, he shall be cut off from among his people

    Deut 27:26 . . Cursed is the man who does not uphold the words of this law by carrying them out.

    Note the grammatical tense of the curse. It's present rather than future indicating that the curse is immediate-- no delay and no waiting period.

    I tend to suspect that curses are cumulative. In other words: every year that a Jew fails to afflict their soul on Yom Kippur, they add another curse to the indictment against them.

    Why is Yom Kippur such a depressing day? Well; that's not too hard to figure out.

    There's a goat involved in Yom Kippur commonly called a scapegoat. However, it's not really a scapegoat, in reality it's an escaping goat; viz: a fugitive.

    Every sin the people ever committed is ceremoniously placed on the goat and it's then turned loose. Well; that right there is a very bad thing for Jews because in order for their sins to be pardoned, it's necessary for the sin-bearing goat to be put to death and burned on the Altar. So what? Well; I'll tell you so what. It means that the people's sins go unpunished; viz; the sins placed on the goat are still on the books hanging over the people's heads like a sword of Damocles and one day will be brought to justice. Now if that isn't reason enough to be depressed, then I give up.

    Q: Why every sin the people ever committed?

    A: Because there is not even one offering in the entire Levitical catalogue that suffices to delete the people's sins. The only thing that those sacrifices obtain for them is a reprieve; which is a temporary delay, not a permanent fix. In other words: forgiveness in the Old Testament acquits no one; Old Testament forgiveness merely puts justice on hold. (Ex 34:7, Rom 3:25-26, Heb 10:1-4)

    NOTE: Some people, unfamiliar with animal husbandry, think that leaving a goat out in a wilderness place to fend for itself is a death sentence. No; far from it. Goats are survivors. They can get by in environments that quite a few other species would find quite disagreeable. And though the Jews were in a wilderness place during the giving of the law, there was vegetation enough to nourish the herds. (Ex 34:3)

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    No sins are forgiven because of animal sacrifice. It is faith and repentance that bring about redemption. The Temple sacrifices were only ever about drawing one's attention to the faithfulness of the Almighty to forgive and redeem. The terms of redemption have never changed. Yom Kippur is about the revelation of God's grace.

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    Lev 16:30 . . For on that day shall the priest make an atonement for you, to cleanse you; that you may be clean from all your sins before the LORD.

    I'm going to deliberately misquote that rule in order to bring out an important point,

    "For on that day shall the priest make an atonement for you, to acquit you, that you may be absolved from all your sins before the LORD."

    No; that particular atonement neither acquits nor absolves. Let me explain.

    It's said that a bell can't be un-rung. That's right; bells can be silenced, but their rings cannot be returned once they leave the bell.

    Were someone to fall in a mud puddle, they can wash the mud off, but it is impossible to undo their fall because that part of their mishap is historical; they cannot turn back the clock.

    What I'm saying is: Lev 16:30 de-contaminates the people, sanitizing them for worship; but does nothing to undo their history. Ergo: the people's sins remain on the books; hanging about their necks like the proverbial albatross. Is it any wonder then why Yom Kippur is a day of sorrow rather than a day of cheer?

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    As you say, it is a mistranslation. The actual command is for each person demanding that every individual become cleansed before the Almighty. (Yes, I know that the Hebrew reads differently from most English translations. Sorry if that is inconvenient.)

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    Please don't add to the scripture. It says what it says. No additions are required. If that was not your intention, please say so clearly.

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    Heb 10:21-23a . . Since we have a great priest over the house of God, let us draw near to God with a sincere heart, in full assurance of faith, having our hearts sprinkled to cleanse us from a guilty conscience

    Sprinkling was a common ritual in the Old Testament-- sometimes with water, sometimes with oil, and sometimes with blood --for example: Ex 29:16, Ex 29:21, Lev 14:7, Lev 14 16, and Num 8:7, et al.

    Sprinkling typically serves to de-contaminate someone or some thing in order to make it suitable for God's purposes. Well, in point of fact; none of the Old Testament's sprinklings served to cleanse people's conscience once and for all time. They had to keep bringing one sacrifice after another in a perpetual stream of sacrifices because each sacrifice cleansed their conscience just that one time instead of for all time.

    The Bible says that Christ was raised again for our justification. (Rom 4:25). The Greek word is dikaiosis (dik-ah'-yo-sis) which essentially means acquittal-- a legal term that can be roughly defined as the act of adjudicating that a person is not guilty. In other words; an acquittal is a legal declaration of innocence.

    Now the interesting thing about this is that Christ's believing followers are never actually innocent.

    1John 1:8-9 . . If we say we are without sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. If we say we have not sinned, we make Him a liar, and His word is not in us.

    However, His son's resurrection made it possible for God to cleanse the consciences of Jesus' believing followers once and for all time. In other words: their consciences may never in this life be truly free of guilt, but the sprinkling sanitized their consciences so effectively that God can legally, and justifiably, declare Christ's believing followers innocent for all time.

    Heb 10:14 . . By one offering he has perfected for all time those who are sanctified.

    Seeing as how God is the supreme court in all matters pertaining to sin, then in order for a prosecutor to make a charge stick against one of Christ's believing followers, the prosecutor would have to convince God that the accused is indeed guilty. Well; that would be very difficult seeing as how God has already ruled that Christ's believing followers are innocent for all time.

    Rom 8:33 . . Who will bring any charge against those whom God has chosen? It is God who justifies.

    So then; in order to adjudicate one of Christ's believing followers guilty, God would have to reverse Himself; and that is not likely to happen.

    Rom 11:29 . . God's gifts, and His call, are irrevocable.

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    Just a note... a post between mine and WebersHome's earlier post was deleted because of what I wrote. I was not referring to any of the previous discussion.

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