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    People sometimes talk about being born again when they die to religion and are free to sin as much as they want, at least within the law of the land.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fuego View Post
    I get what you are saying when you say Adam was the first 'born again' man going from life to death, but in the way we use our language, we never use 'born' or 'birth' in regards to death.
    The life that was in Adam... became death.

    It is interesting to note that God never gave satan the opportunity to corrupt that which was spiritual... all satan had access to corrupt was that which was in the natural...

    1 Corinthians 15:45
    And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam (Jesus) was made a quickening spirit.
    Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual.

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    The life that was in Adam... became death.
    No, Life left Adam.

    The Light in him went out, separated spiritually from Life Himself

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    It is interesting to note that God never gave satan the opportunity to corrupt that which was spiritual... all satan had access to corrupt was that which was in the natural...
    Uh No.

    Adam died spiritually before he died physically.
    This I say therefore, and testify in the Lord, that ye henceforth walk not as other Gentiles walk, in the vanity (futility) of their mind, having the understanding darkened...
    (Ephesians 4:17-18)

    Blessed is the man that walketh not in the counsel of the ungodly...
    (Psalm 1)

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    You're not understanding... all people that God has created have a soul, and the reason the soul will live forever is because there is an everlasting spirit in their soul.

    When Adam died spiritually (I never mention his dying physically, that's a whole different discussion) the life that was within him was separated from God as it was no longer alive unto God (physically he lived 930 years and has no bearing on dying spiritually).

    Fast forward to he times of the New Covenant... even after one has become born again, it is possible to experience the Word choked out of your life in that God's Spirit (Spirit of Jesus Christ) is no longer allowed to live in us... meaning, we can become separated from God in that we are no longer in agreement with Him in thought, word, or deed.

    God is not the One that would do this... we are. 1 Cor 13 says love (God is Love) does not demand it's own way, so God cannot force anyone to continue walking with Him.

    Romans 8:6
    For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.
    Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.


    WE decide whether to yield to the leading of the Holy Spirit (Who always lead to and by God's written Word)... or to yield to the flesh

    Romans 6:16
    Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?

    This is why OSAS is not scriptural and is not of God... adherents do not believe God created man in His likeness which is why the Lord said what He said in Romans 6:16

    Jesus taught in Mark 4:13-20 that it's entirely possible for one to receive God's Word gladly (when one's receives God's promise of salvation, who is to say they are not born again??? You do not know what's in a man's heart - 1 Corinthians 2:11) and it later be choked out and becomes unfruitful... meaning one is no longer being led by the Lord's Word or His Spirit and is instead being led by the flesh.

    If a person remains in this state, they will not go to Heaven...

    Mark 4:13-20
    And he said unto them, Know ye not this parable? and how then will ye know all parables?
    The sower soweth the word.
    And these are they by the way side, where the word is sown; but when they have heard, Satan cometh immediately, and taketh away the word that was sown in their hearts.
    And these are they likewise which are sown on stony ground; who, when they have heard the word, immediately receive it with gladness;
    And have no root in themselves, and so endure but for a time: afterward, when affliction or persecution ariseth for the word's sake, immediately they are offended.
    And these are they which are sown among thorns; such as hear the word,
    And the cares of this world, and the deceitfulness of riches, and the lusts of other things entering in, choke the word, and it becometh unfruitful.
    And these are they which are sown on good ground; such as hear the word, and receive it, and bring forth fruit, some thirtyfold, some sixty, and some an hundred.

    Did you notice Jesus said if you do not understand this teaching... how could you understand all the teachings of God's Word? This is because the Kingdom of God works on the seedtime harvest principle and now we know what satan is up to... he's trying to choke the Word of God out of your life!

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    Seedtime and Harvest

    Scriptures that speak of sowing and reaping - Genesis 8:22, Mark 4:26, Matthew 13:24, Galatians 6:7,8 and Romans 5:14-21 demonstrates how seedtime harvest causes things to produce after it's own kind whether it's good producing good, or evil producing evil.


    Genesis 8:22
    While the earth remains, seedtime and harvest, and cold and heat, and summer and winter, and day and night shall not cease.

    Mark 4:26
    So is the kingdom of God, as if a man should cast seed into the ground

    Matthew 13:24
    The kingdom of heaven is likened unto a man which sowed good seed in his field:
    But while men slept, his enemy came and sowed tares among the wheat, and went his way.

    Galatians 6:7,8
    Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man sows, that shall he also reap.
    For he that sows to his flesh shall of the flesh reap corruption; but he that sows to the Spirit shall of the Spirit reap life everlasting.

    Romans 5:14-21 demonstrates how seedtime harvest causes things to produce after it's own kind whether it's good producing good, or evil producing evil.

    Romans 5:14-21
    Nevertheless death reigned from Adam (God says Adam died) to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression, who is the figure of him that was to come.
    But not as the offense, so also is the free gift. For if through the offense of one many be dead, much more the grace of God, and the gift by grace, which is by one man, Jesus Christ, hath abounded unto many.
    And not as it was by one that sinned, so is the gift: for the judgment was by one to condemnation, but the free gift is of many offenses unto justification.
    For if by one man's offense death reigned by one (talkin 'bout Adam); much more they which receive abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness shall reign in life by one, Jesus Christ.)
    Therefore as by the offense of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life.
    For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.
    Moreover the law entered, that the offense might abound. But where sin abounded, grace did much more abound:
    That as sin hath reigned unto death, even so might grace reign through righteousness unto eternal life by Jesus Christ our Lord.

    Isaiah 3:10-11
    Say ye to the righteous, that it shall be well with him: for they shall eat the fruit of their doings.
    Woe unto the wicked! it shall be ill with him: for the reward of his hands shall be given him

    Companion scripture for Isaiah 3:10-11 found in the New Testament:

    Romans 2:7
    To them who by patient continuance in well doing seek for glory and honor and immortality, eternal life:
    But unto them that are contentious, and do not obey the truth (God's Word), but obey unrighteousness, indignation and wrath,
    Tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man that does evil, of the Jew first, and also of the Gentile;
    But glory, honor, and peace, to every man that works good, to the Jew first, and also to the Gentile:
    For there is no respect of persons with God.

    Matthew 3:10
    And now also the axe is laid unto the root of the trees: therefore every tree which brings not forth good fruit is cut down, and cast into the fire.

    Matthew 7:17-20
    Even so every good tree brings forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree brings forth evil fruit.
    A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.
    Every tree that brings not forth good fruit is cut down, and cast into the fire.
    Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.

    Hebrews 6:8
    But that which bears thorns and briers is rejected, and is nigh unto cursing; whose end is to be burned.

    Matthew 7:19
    Every tree that brings not forth good fruit is cut down, and cast into the fire.

    John 15:1-15
    I am the true vine, and my Father is the husbandman.
    Every branch in me that bears not fruit he takes away: and every branch that bears fruit, he purges it, that it may bring forth more fruit.
    Now ye are clean through the word which I have spoken unto you.
    Abide in me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, except it abide in the vine; no more can ye, except ye abide in me.
    I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abides in me, and I in him, the same brings forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing.
    If a man abide not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned.
    If ye abide in me, and my words abide in you, ye shall ask what ye will, and it shall be done unto you.
    Herein is my Father glorified, that ye bear much fruit; so shall ye be my disciples.
    As the Father hath loved me, so have I loved you: continue ye in my love.
    If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love.
    These things have I spoken unto you, that my joy might remain in you, and that your joy might be full.
    This is my commandment, That ye love one another, as I have loved you.
    Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends.
    Ye are my friends, if ye do whatsoever I command you.
    Henceforth I call you not servants; for the servant knows not what his lord does: but I have called you friends; for all things that I have heard of my Father I have made known unto you.

    Galatians 6:7,8
    For he that sows to his flesh shall of the flesh reap corruption; but he that sows to the Spirit shall of the Spirit reap life everlasting.
    Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man sows, that shall he also reap.

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