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Thanks for those two web pages Krystian.
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Frozen Chosen
Originally Posted by
krystian
Tom I thought of you as I was watching it and wondered if it was accurate...thanks!
For those who don't know, Tom lives in Israel and has been a long time tour guide there among all the other things he does. :)
Tom is actually in a documentary about Israel (or maybe just Jerusalem?) that I watched on TV a few months ago, I suppose around Easter... Can't remember what it was called now, but I'm sure he does! It was really nice to see him in action!
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Colonel, Rabbinic scholars teach that Isaac actually died on the altar and God gave him back. It's not clear to me whether they think Abraham killed him or perhaps he died from the fright. Either way, God miraculously replaced the sacrifice that Abraham gave with a pure heart. That would be difficult to explain in a video that does not pretend to be a treatise on theology of any specific religion.
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Originally Posted by
A.J.
Tom is actually in a documentary about Israel (or maybe just Jerusalem?) that I watched on TV a few months ago, I suppose around Easter... Can't remember what it was called now, but I'm sure he does! It was really nice to see him in action!
Really? Huh... I wonder what documentary you are talking about. I'd like to know if you figure it out.
I did the opening shofar blast on the Gaither's Homecoming Jerusalem video and I was on a National Geographic video from the Galilee once. There may be others but I don't remember. I vaguely remember doing spots for several others but I don't remember a documentary. Hmmm...
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Originally Posted by
Tehilah Ba'Aretz
Colonel, Rabbinic scholars teach that Isaac actually died on the altar and God gave him back. It's not clear to me whether they think Abraham killed him or perhaps he died from the fright. Either way, God miraculously replaced the sacrifice that Abraham gave with a pure heart. That would be difficult to explain in a video that does not pretend to be a treatise on theology of any specific religion.
They do ? That is totally unscriptural, the account from Genesis is clear :
Gen 22:10 And Abraham stretched out his hand and took the knife to slay his son.
11 But the Angel of the*Lord*called to him from heaven and said, “Abraham, Abraham!”
So he said, “Here I am.”
12 And He said, “Do not lay your hand on the lad, or do anything to him; for now I know that you fear God, since you have not withheld your son, your only*son,*from Me.”
That sounds like the scholars are flirting with paganism, human sacrifices are prohibited in the law.
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Careful there, God did indeed demand a human sacrifice both at the offering of Isaac and in the New Testament.
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Originally Posted by
Tehilah Ba'Aretz
Careful there, God did indeed demand a human sacrifice both at the offering of Isaac and in the New Testament.
He told Abraham to sacrifice Isaac and Abraham believed that God would raise him from the dead again which made it a matter of a bit of pain and anguish rather than actual death. God also made him not go through with it, Isaac was unharmed. Abraham didn't have the law and wasn't technically breaking a written commandment not to sacrifice his son and God wasn't making him break the law since he wasn't going to let him go through with it anyway. Now if Abraham had gone through with the sacrifice things would have been different. Especially if he didn't have any faith in Isaac's subsequent resurrection, then it would have been a true human sacrifice with God turning it around after the fact.
In Jesus' case it was God who gave himself up to die. The ones behind the crucifixion could be said to have sacrificed Jesus to the devil or the spirit of this world since he was innocent but God didn't tell them or make them do so, he merely knew by foreknowledge that they would. God didn't tell someone to seize some innocent man called Jesus and sacrifice him to Himself, that would have been a human sacrifice, and especially if he hadn't resurrected him again.
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Originally Posted by
A.J.
Tom is actually in a documentary about Israel (or maybe just Jerusalem?) that I watched on TV a few months ago, I suppose around Easter... Can't remember what it was called now, but I'm sure he does! It was really nice to see him in action!
Originally Posted by
Tehilah Ba'Aretz
Really? Huh... I wonder what documentary you are talking about. I'd like to know if you figure it out.
I did the opening shofar blast on the Gaither's Homecoming Jerusalem video and I was on a National Geographic video from the Galilee once. There may be others but I don't remember. I vaguely remember doing spots for several others but I don't remember a documentary. Hmmm...
Got any links from stuff you've done?
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Originally Posted by
krystian
Yes he does! He really needs to start a youtube channel and share occasional snippets of his tours and knowledge with us. ;)
In the meantime Geema here are a couple of facebook pages you could 'like'...Tom's wife is the President and CEO of Bridges for Peace, they have some wonderful pictures of Israel that they post on their page:
https://www.facebook.com/bridgesforpeace/?fref=ts
...and happysandyh who is another member here has her Lovers of Israel page where she also posts pics and relates stories of her visits to Israel:
https://www.facebook.com/loversofisrael/?fref=ts
Thank you for the recommendation Krys!
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