Thread: Nephilim and sons of God

Originally Posted by Ezekiel 33

First of all, do you agree that the "sons of God" referred to in Genesis 6 are indeed fallen angels?

Secondly, it says that "they took wives for themselves of all whom they chose." It also says that these "sons of God" came in to the daughters of men and they "bore children to them". So this evidence would say that yes, they did commit sexual immorality with them. In the Hebrew mindset the marriage wasn't official until it was consummated if I remember correctly.

A somewhat old post but I came across a detail pertaining to this here :

1 Chron 22:6 Then he called for his son Solomon, and charged him to build a house for the*Lord God of Israel.*7*And David said to Solomon: "My son, as for me, it was in my mind to build a house to the name of the*Lord*my God;*8*but the word of the*Lord*came to me, saying, 'You have shed much blood and have made great wars; you shall not build a house for My name, because you have shed much blood on the earth in My sight.*9*Behold, a son shall be born to you, who shall be a man of rest; and I will give him rest from all his enemies all around. His name shall be Solomon,[a]*for I will give peace and quietness to Israel in his days.*10*He shall build a house for My name, and he shall be My son, and I*will be*his Father; and I will establish the throne of his kingdom over Israel forever.' 11*Now, my son, may the*Lord*be with you; and may you prosper, and build the house of the*Lord*your God, as He has said to you.

The part in red is God speaking. We may argue about the strength and meaning of Hebrew terms and expressions for God but that one is direct, God himself refers to Solomon as his son and himself as his Father, making Solomon one of the sons of God.

The genetic purity of Noah. The word interpreted as such is used about a generation of people and suggests that Noah was a righteous man by the standards of his time or generation. This was before the law was given.

Gen 6:9*NIV This is the account*of Noah and his family.
Noah was a righteous man, blameless*among the people of his time,*and he walked faithfully with God.

The KJV renders it as "perfect in his generations" and a modern reader might read that in terms of genetics but Hebrew uses different terms to discuss what is passed on from one generation to an other. That is nothing more than a KJV bug, like the satyrs and unicorns.

From this KJV bug we get the idea that Noah was the only genetically pure human being and therefore God had to kill all the others. The problem is that there were 8 people on the ark, not 1. If God had placed Noah on the ark and had killed all the others and then taken a rib out of him and had a created a new Eve who had been as genetically perfect as Noah, then they could have established a new race of human beings that were pure, after the flood. (Never mind the inherited sin problem, people want this to be about genetic purity)
That was not so, Noah brought with him a wife and also three wives for his three sons that he had with his wife. There is nothing that suggests that these were pure in the sense that Noah was pure, whether he was a very righteous man by the standards of that time and found favor with God or it was his genetic purity. If he found favor because of his righteous walk then grace may have been extended to cover his close family whom he was patriarch over. Grace would not cover their genetic impurity however, if thag was what that verse was about.
Nephilimists know this and they employ this to explain how it is that there were Nephilim once again after the flood, allegedly once again with genes from fallen angels in them. They claim that it came from one of Noah's sons (through his wife) or their wives. Which destroys the alleged purpose of placing Noah on the ark, which was to eradicate the genetic impurity of mankind and start over again with a pure human race.

6:9 is the writer's statement about Noah. The following is God himself speaking :

Genesis 7:1 *Then the*Lord*said to Noah, “Come into the ark, you and all your household, because I have seen*that*you*are*righteous before Me in this generation."

I quoted the NKJV here and it serves as an explanation for what 6:9 was about. Not that we need 6:9 at all, this is God himself explaining the precise reason why he is letting the 8 people onto the ark, the fact that He saw Noah as a righteous man in this generation (this was before the law was given and there were no commands and precepts). Because of that, he let them onto the ark.

"righteous before me" is the same language used throughout the Old Testament and really the entire the Bible. If God is talking about genetic purity there then he is talking about that throughout and the Bible is now about race and not about conduct. What one is born as and not the choices one makes. Be of the correct race and you are okay, be of the wrong one and you are toast.

That is not what the Bible is about. It is about an introduction of a poison called sin and the fact that we all choose to act according to this poison and become unrighteous by that. It is about the fact that there has only been One person who was ever deemed truly pure in the sight of God and that was not because that One was born genetically pure, it was because he chose to avoid that poisok called sin and remained righteous in his walk and THEREFORE he was declared pure and righteous in God's sight. Against this background we are ALL of the wrong race and worthy of extermination, because we all acted according to the poison of sin that had been lain down in us and our entire race. Only in the new birth and by recreated into the likeness of Him do we become anything else than as worthy of extermination as anyone, whether they would be Nephilim or others. Sin is and has always been the problem, it permeates everyone equally and there in only One who is sinless and worthy before God.

Please correct me if my following impression is wrong. Every major teacher of Nephilimism is a white male and they typically hail from the Southern states of the US. They either grew up or lived during a time when racism was rampant in their area, including in the church. Some of them, like Finis Dake, grew up or lived during a time when eugenics (racial genetics) was very much in vogue (until world war 2 basically).

Some times when a phenomenon like racism loses political correctness or becomes frowned upon or discarded in local circles (like a church or denomination) it finds an outlet that is related. I've talked to many Calvinists who may or may not have been racists at least deep down and while they admitted that blacks were among the elect, they had a profound sense of themselves and their peers being the elect and the others being mostly nonelect. Some of them had a deep hatred and disgust towards those they were sure were the nonelect among their surroundings, as if they were lower beings or a lower race. The concept of the nonelect and the concept of the serpents seed, whether that had to do with nephilim genetics or something more general, often got mixed or confused until it was largely about those among us who are "born without God's favor". Nephilimists may largely teach that the racial divide between genetically pure and genetically impure human beings is over by now but everyone isnt clear about that and as Kay pointed out and I myself have observed in discussions on the internet 20 years ago, the general idea of a racial divide is very much alive today whether it is connected to the one or the other or the third doctrine.

Originally Posted by Colonel

Please correct me if my following impression is wrong. Every major teacher of Nephilimism is a white male and they typically hail from the Southern states of the US. They either grew up or lived during a time when racism was rampant in their area, including in the church. Some of them, like Finis Dake, grew up or lived during a time when eugenics (racial genetics) was very much in vogue (until world war 2 basically).

Some times when a phenomenon like racism loses political correctness or becomes frowned upon or discarded in local circles (like a church or denomination) it finds an outlet that is related. I've talked to many Calvinists who may or may not have been racists at least deep down and while they admitted that blacks were among the elect, they had a profound sense of themselves and their peers being the elect and the others being mostly nonelect. Some of them had a deep hatred and disgust towards those they were sure were the nonelect among their surroundings, as if they were lower beings or a lower race. The concept of the nonelect and the concept of the serpents seed, whether that had to do with nephilim genetics or something more general, often got mixed or confused until it was largely about those among us who are "born without God's favor". Nephilimists may largely teach that the racial divide between genetically pure and genetically impure human beings is over by now but everyone isnt clear about that and as Kay pointed out and I myself have observed in discussions on the internet 20 years ago, the general idea of a racial divide is very much alive today whether it is connected to the one or the other or the third doctrine.

That is an interesting concept.

Originally Posted by Ezekiel 33

Has anyone else noticed the deformations caused by the Zika virus and wondered if something like this was somehow in play? We know that it is from the enemy for sure.

Some of it could have amounted to abnormities that aren't around today. Josephus thought their countenances were very scary but at the same time he held to the 200 BC Septuagint translation's rendering of Goliath's height as merely 6'9" or 206 cm.