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    Question: What's the deal with the "Mormon underwear?" Do they wear "special" under garments? I've never heard that before.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Romans828 View Post
    Question: What's the deal with the "Mormon underwear?" Do they wear "special" under garments? I've never heard that.

    You have never heard of the holy underwear

    They use them as diapers but all the yuk disappears and its all sparkling clean immediately.................ok I made that up

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    Quote Originally Posted by Romans828 View Post
    Question: What's the deal with the "Mormon underwear?" Do they wear "special" under garments? I've never heard that before.
    Yes, confirmed mormons have special underclothing.

    It's always hysterical when we take new people to Salt Lake City and give a little bit of city and LDS history, and we explain the underwear. Invariably they walk around all week staring at people and wondering what their underwear looks like, and trying to figure out the grid system of streets with all things proceeding from the temple.

    As a side note - we've only experienced SLC downtown and then some of the outskirts like the Salt Lake and up in the mountains. Gorgeous place. Love swimming in the Lake. But one thing we noticed ... the Mormons don't have a very good grip on their city. There's a LOT of anti-mormon sentiment there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KaySharpe View Post
    And what you are saying, Femme, is part of my point. Take Mormons and anything easily dismissed as "cult" out of the equation, and apply what I'm about to say to Christian groups and denominations.

    There are churches who earnestly believe that Jesus is vengeful, and is literally peering over the edge of Heaven at the world, biding His time, polishing His sword, waiting until His Father's wrath explodes and destroys all those evil people. There are Christians who earnestly believe that God accepts everyone. And some in between, who believe the saved guys get to Heaven and the other guys get annhilated.

    There are churches who believe Jesus was so fully God, that there was no stain of humanity upon Him - and others who believe that He laid down 100% of His deity when He came on-planet. He lived as Man, died as Man, rose as Man, ascended as Man.

    There are churches who believe He was so sinless, His mom stayed a virgin forever ... and those who believe that the virgin birth isn't all that important.

    I could go on, but my coffee cup is running dry :coffee:

    Are all of those folks Christians?

    Part of my questioning on this goes this way: When the door to door people come, and they try to lead you into their religion, they're fairly orthodox in what they are teaching. They don't go off on spiels that would send most people running. They preach Jesus not that much differently than "orthodoxy" does (see this page: https://www.mormon.org/beliefs/jesus-christ).

    If a person read that page there, recognized their need for Jesus, repented and invited Him to come, and then began attending a Mormon church, would they be saved?

    I guess at the core of my question is this -- what IS a Christian? When we strip it all down to Jesus plus nothing, and we remove even our advanced understandings of who He is, what are the bare bones that we're left with?
    They have tailored their message as to not offend Christians. They will agree with you on most anything you believe until you get to the deal breakers, and there are many !

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    Mormon Beliefs documented

    Please note that these teachings are documented from Mormon writers--not anti-Mormon writers:

    Book of Mormon
    The book of Mormon is more correct than the Bible, (History of the Church, vol. 4, p. 461).
    Devil, the
    The Devil was born as a spirit after Jesus "in the morning of pre-existence," (Mormon Doctrine, p. 192).
    Jesus and Satan are spirit brothers and we were all born as siblings in heaven to them both, (Mormon Doctrine, p. 163).
    God
    God used to be a man on another planet (Mormon Doctrine, p. 321, Joseph Smith, Times and Seasons, vol. 5, p. 613-614, Orson Pratt, Journal of Discourses, vol. 2, p. 345, Brigham Young, Journal of Discourses, vol. 7, p. 333).
    "The Father has a body of flesh and bones as tangible as mans . . . ," (D&C 130:22).
    God, becoming a god
    After you become a good Mormon, you have the potential of becoming a god (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, p. 345-347, 354).
    "Then shall they be gods, because they have no end; therefore shall they be from everlasting to everlasting, because they continue; then shall they be above all, because all things are subject unto them. Then shall they be gods, because they have all power, and the angels are subject unto them," (DC 132:20).
    God, many gods
    There are many gods (Mormon Doctrine, p. 163).
    "And they (the Gods) said: Let there be light: and there was light," (Book of Abraham 4:3).
    God, mother goddess
    There is a mother god (Articles of Faith, by James Talmage, p. 443).
    God is married to his goddess wife and has spirit children (Mormon Doctrine, p. 516).
    God, Trinity
    The trinity is three separate Gods: The Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost. "That these three are separate individuals, physically distinct from each other, is demonstrated by the accepted records of divine dealings with man," (Articles of Faith, by James Talmage, p. 35).
    Heaven
    There are three levels of heaven: telestial, terrestrial, and celestial (Mormon Doctrine, p. 348).
    Holy Ghost, the
    The Holy Ghost is a male personage (A Marvelous Work and a Wonder, Le Grand Richards, Salt Lake City, 1956, p. 118, Journal of Discources, vol. 5, p. 179).
    Jesus
    "Therefore we know that both the Father and the Son are in form and stature perfect men; each of them possesses a tangible body . . . of flesh and bones," (Articles of Faith, by James Talmage, p. 38).
    "The birth of the Saviour was as natural as are the births of our children; it was the result of natural action. He partook of flesh and blood--was begotten of his Father, as we were of our fathers," (Journal of Discourses, vol. 8, p. 115).
    "Elohim is literally the Father of the spirit of Jesus Christ and also of the body in which Jesus Christ performed His mission in the flesh . . . " (First Presidency and Council of the Twelve, 1916, God the Father, compiled by Gordon Allred, p. 150).
    Joseph Smith
    If it had not been for Joseph Smith and the restoration, there would be no salvation. There is no salvation [the context is the full gospel including exaltation to Godhood] outside the church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (Mormon Doctrine, p. 670).
    Pre-existence
    We were first begotten as spirit children in heaven and then born naturally on earth (Journal of Discourse, vol. 4, p. 218).
    The first spirit to be born in heaven was Jesus (Mormon Doctrine, p. 129).
    The Devil was born as a spirit after Jesus "in the morning of pre-existence," (Mormon Doctrine, p. 192).
    Salvation
    "One of the most fallacious doctrines originated by Satan and propounded by man is that man is saved alone by the grace of God; that belief in Jesus Christ alone is all that is needed for salvation," (Miracle of Forgiveness, by Spencer W. Kimball, p. 206).
    A plan of salvation was needed for the people of earth so Jesus offered a plan to the Father and Satan offered a plan to the father but Jesus' plan was accepted. In effect the Devil wanted to be the Savior of all Mankind and to "deny men their agency and to dethrone god," (Mormon Doctrine, p. 193, Journal of Discourses, vol. 6, p. 8).
    Jesus' sacrifice was not able to cleanse us from all our sins, (murder and repeated adultery are exceptions), (Journal of Discourses, vol. 3, 1856, p. 247).
    Good works are necessary for salvation (Articles of Faith, p. 92).
    There is no salvation without accepting Joseph Smith as a prophet of God (Doctrines of Salvation, vol. 1, p. 188).
    "The first effect [of the atonement] is to secure to all mankind alike, exemption from the penalty of the fall, thus providing a plan of General Salvation. The second effect is to open a way for Individual Salvation whereby mankind may secure remission of personal sins," (Articles of Faith, by James Talmage, p. 78-79).
    "As these sins are the result of individual acts it is just that forgiveness for them should be conditioned on individual compliance with prescribed requirements--'obedience to the laws and ordinances of the Gospel,'" (Articles of Faith, p. 79).
    "This grace is an enabling power that allows men and women to lay hold on eternal life and exaltation after they have expended their own best efforts," (LDS Bible Dictionary, p. 697).
    "We know that it is by grace that we are saved, after all we can do," (2 Nephi 25:23).
    Trinity, the
    The trinity is three separate Gods: The Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost. "That these three are separate individuals, physically distinct from each other, is demonstrated by the accepted records of divine dealings with man," (Articles of Faith, by James Talmage, p. 35).

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    Quote Originally Posted by KaySharpe View Post
    And what you are saying, Femme, is part of my point. Take Mormons and anything easily dismissed as "cult" out of the equation, and apply what I'm about to say to Christian groups and denominations.

    There are churches who earnestly believe that Jesus is vengeful, and is literally peering over the edge of Heaven at the world, biding His time, polishing His sword, waiting until His Father's wrath explodes and destroys all those evil people. There are Christians who earnestly believe that God accepts everyone. And some in between, who believe the saved guys get to Heaven and the other guys get annhilated.

    There are churches who believe Jesus was so fully God, that there was no stain of humanity upon Him - and others who believe that He laid down 100% of His deity when He came on-planet. He lived as Man, died as Man, rose as Man, ascended as Man.

    There are churches who believe He was so sinless, His mom stayed a virgin forever ... and those who believe that the virgin birth isn't all that important.

    I could go on, but my coffee cup is running dry :coffee:

    Are all of those folks Christians?

    Part of my questioning on this goes this way: When the door to door people come, and they try to lead you into their religion, they're fairly orthodox in what they are teaching. They don't go off on spiels that would send most people running. They preach Jesus not that much differently than "orthodoxy" does (see this page: https://www.mormon.org/beliefs/jesus-christ).

    If a person read that page there, recognized their need for Jesus, repented and invited Him to come, and then began attending a Mormon church, would they be saved?

    I guess at the core of my question is this -- what IS a Christian? When we strip it all down to Jesus plus nothing, and we remove even our advanced understandings of who He is, what are the bare bones that we're left with?

    I think that's part of why we're admonished to not judge other's hearts. We don't know where they are in their journey. All of us go through doctrinal positions where when our lightbulb goes on we're "OH!! dang, I had that one wrong!" etc.. or, when we've wandered off into our own private desert, we be wandering around without a clue, that doesn't mean God's abandonded us.. it means we're taking a random side trail.

    I know folks who have been this and then that, and this again.. and then that again too.. And, we all recognize none of us gets it 100% right.. We're all going to be surprised about something.

    Which is why, even with the list LionHeart's given (and I know it's not even extensive.. I, personally, like that JS said that there were people living INside the sun.. who were tall and dressed like pilgrims.. or, my favorite, you can tell if it's a good angel or a bad angel by the color of his hair.. ) There are LOTS of people who haven't a clue about any of that.. They hear "Jesus" and "God" and translate those words to their personal vocabulary.. and the LDS aren't likely to point out a lot of it.

    Yes, usually they'll get to the YOU TOO CAN BE A GOD!!" bit eventually.. but, even then they'll reject that it's polytheistic because they don't worship those other gods.

    So, I go back to my original position.. it is very difficult, especially if one actually knows the doctrine and theology/Christology, but I'm not going to say anyone has/n't had a genuine Come To Jesus Meeting and hasn't just gone off to CrazyVille for a while.

    The difficulity we have is not taking into consideration that everyone isn't on the same plane at the same time. I have to constantly remind myself, and even then, sometimes I'm.. .. WHA?!?!!! when I hear some things. and, I'd bet money some other folks say that when they hear me. Sometimes the only thing we have in common is our love for Jesus, THE One True and Living God Jesus.

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