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    Lightbulb John Kasich:Slow & Steady Could Win the Race (?)

    Hubby has a theory - after we discussed the alleged Cruz Affair revelation - that John Kasich is just going about his campaigning, biding his time, staying outta the gutter, and waiting until they both (Trump and Cruz) crash and burn.

    He certainly has a good track record in the senate and in Ohio, and he's moderate enough to reach across the aisle and (hopefully) get some things done in Washington.

    He has conducted himself with diplomacy, civility and grace throughout the debate debacles, and everyone seems to like him...

    So why not him?

    He may not be flashy and loud, or have "movie-star" looks, but he does have experience and a calm demeanor.

    I realize "The GOP Establishment" thinks he's too moderate, but a hard-core, far-right candidate is not gonna bring any Independents into the fold either.

    Hubby thinks a Kasich/Rubio ticket stands a good chance.

    Your thoughts?

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    To be honest, I just don't care much for any of the candidates since Dr. Carson left the race, but I am leaning toward Senator Cruz. He as the best record from what I've read.

    I did at one time favor a Carson/Kasich ticket, but recently learned some things about Kasich so that's over. I'd like to see a Cruz/Carson ticket, but that's more than likely not going to happen. So I'm still in decision mode.
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    Governor Kasich does the best in head-to-head polling against both Clinton and Sen. Sanders, with Sen. Rubio in second, so a Kasich/Rubio ticket would be most likely to bring a victory to the GOP.

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    Then the situation may look very different when the actual presidential election is on. This works the same in every country.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Romans828 View Post
    Hubby has a theory - after we discussed the alleged Cruz Affair revelation - that John Kasich is just going about his campaigning, biding his time, staying outta the gutter, and waiting until they both (Trump and Cruz) crash and burn.

    He certainly has a good track record in the senate and in Ohio, and he's moderate enough to reach across the aisle and (hopefully) get some things done in Washington.

    He has conducted himself with diplomacy, civility and grace throughout the debate debacles, and everyone seems to like him...

    So why not him?

    He may not be flashy and loud, or have "movie-star" looks, but he does have experience and a calm demeanor.

    I realize "The GOP Establishment" thinks he's too moderate, but a hard-core, far-right candidate is not gonna bring any Independents into the fold either.

    Hubby thinks a Kasich/Rubio ticket stands a good chance.

    Your thoughts?
    Kasich is the GOP establishment personified so not sure about the establishment thinking he is too moderate ..

    The guy doesn't believe in Religious liberty and is no advocate for adherence to constitutional limits so he was always a non starter for me and remains so .. when asked about christian bakers being forced to go against their conscience his response was along the lines of .. "hey what does it matter go ahead and bake them the cakes" and then he went on to spew some theological gobbledygook about loving all and being inclusive blah blah . I mean he is a guy who believes expanding Government is a way of showing biblical love

    Personally not interested in anybody who is going to Washington to get "some things done" especially if it requires reaching across the aisle. Problem is Washington does too much already .

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    Quote Originally Posted by BAP View Post
    The guy doesn't believe in Religious liberty and is no advocate for adherence to constitutional limits so he was always a non starter for me and remains so .. when asked about christian bakers being forced to go against their conscience his response was along the .. hey what does it matter go ahead and bake them the cakes" and then he went on to spew some theological gooblygook about loving all and being inclusive and blah blah . I mean he ia a guy who believes expanding Government is a way of showing biblical love...
    Well that's a bummer, I was starting to wonder what Romans said in the OP post too.

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    John Kasich Clearly Doesn't Understand Religious Liberty - See more at: https://www.conservativereview.com/c....gWNtBmPy.dpuf

    http://www.politico.com/blogs/2016-g...arriage-219826
    In an election cycle woefully short on discussions of religious liberty, presidential candidate and Ohio Governor John Kasich has proven how little he apparently understands about religious freedom.

    In a Thursday night exchange with talk radio host Hugh Hewitt during CNN’s GOP debate in Houston, Kasich reiterated a position that he recently made about the issue of religious freedom as it relates to commerce. After making allusions to the effects of repealing the 5-4 Hobby Lobby decisions to faith-based institutions and business owners whose personal beliefs don’t align with the current administration’s worldview, Hewitt asked Kasich to clarify remarks he made earlier in the week:

    HEWITT: Governor Kasich, back to religious liberty. You've been a little bit less emphatic. You've said, same-sex couple approaches a cupcake maker, sell them a cupcake. Can we trust you as much on religious liberty as the rest of these people?
    KASICH: Well, you know, of course. I mean, if -- look, I was involved in just being a pioneer in a new church. Religious institutions should be able to practice the religion that they believe in. No question and no doubt about it.
    Now, in regard to same-sex marriage, I don't favor it. I've always favored traditional marriage, but, look, the court has ruled and I've moved on. And what I've said, Hugh, is that, look, where does it end?
    If you're in the business of selling things, if you're not going to sell to somebody you don't agree with, OK, today I'm not going to sell to somebody who's gay, and tomorrow maybe I won't sell to somebody who's divorced.
    I mean, if you're in the business of commerce, conduct commerce. That's my view. And if you don't agree with their lifestyle, say a prayer for them when they leave and hope they change their behavior.
    This is an argument that has no place in a party that concerns itself with the right to freely express and practice one’s faith in the public square. It could have just as believably been uttered by any of the rabid secularists who wish to see any rights of conscience abolished from the public square altogether.

    In fact, similar argument has been put forward by the Obama Administration’s Solicitor General, Donald Verrilli regarding whether or not Christian schools would be allowed to continue teaching the traditional Christian understanding of conjugal marriage, should the court mandate same sex ‘marriage’ as a constitutional right. When asked the question by Justice Samuel Alito, Verrilli admitted that, “It is…it is going to be an issue.”

    It comes as no surprise that the remarks come on the heels of news that Aaron and Melissa Klein, former owners of “Sweet Cakes by Melissa” a bakery which they were forced to close due to the same sort of reasoning that Kasich is pushing here, announced that they would be taking their case to the Oregon Court of Appeals.

    Aaron and Melissa Klein first made national news in 2013 when they told a lesbian couple that they could not materially contribute to their same sex wedding ceremony by providing a cake. The couple sued, and the State of Oregon condemned the Klein’s actions with a massive $135,000 fine. Subsequently, the Kleins were forced to shut down their bakery and had all of their savings forcibly seized by the state. In a disturbingly symbolic act, the state of Oregon even cleaned out a special bank account that the Kleins had set up specifically for their church tithe.

    I.e. Caesar took money meant for God in the name of “equality” and “tolerance,” with the result of financially ruining a Christian family because they held religious beliefs shared by 99% percent of world religions until just a few years ago, all in the name of equality.

    The Oregon/Kasich view of religious liberty works as such: If you’re a church ministry, fine. You can keep your First Amendment rights, but those stop as soon as you decide to engage in commerce.

    While this position may seem correct and amicable to a conscience solely informed by the secularist agenda, and may even work to feed the moderate, ‘nice guy’ image that Kasich has tried to maintain since he announced his candidacy, it fails to address the crux of the actual argument being made by people like the Kleins, which has nothing to do with gay people.

    What Aaron and Melissa Klein, along with the host of other businesses and organizations that have been victimized by the cultural cronyism of the sexual revolution, are saying has nothing to do with denying service to people they disagree with. They simply are saying that they cannot participate in an immoral action, a doctrine more commonly known as “material cooperation with evil.”

    Materially cooperating with evil, according to the National Catholic Bioethics Center,“is assistance provided to the immoral act of a principal agent in which the cooperator does not intend the evil,” or doing any action which will directly lead to an act being done which contradicts the beliefs of the person assisting with the action. What this means in the cast of the baker is simple: If the lesbian couple had come into the store asking for a birthday cake, they would have gotten the same service that anyone else ordering a birthday cake would have gotten. There are likely no imaginable grounds for conscientious objection to materially cooperating with a birthday party.

    On the same note, Kasich’s argument regarding divorced people is equally fallacious. Just as there would rarely, if ever, be a case for conscientious objection to a birthday cake for a person with same-sex attraction, there would not be one for baking a cake for a divorced person, “divorce ceremonies” a la T.V.’s “Scrubs” notwithstanding.

    Marriage, however, is different. To those who believe that marriage is more than a simple contract that holds about as much significance as a car title loan, this distinction is very important. The Kleins and others of their ilk declined to participate in something that contradicted their millennia-old belief about the very nature of man and woman and their standing before society and God. See? The argument has nothing to do with gay people; it has everything to do with with fundamental questions about the nature of humankind on which the government should never be given a monopoly, even if “the court has ruled.”

    Thank goodness that wasn’t the Republican party line following Dred Scott.

    It’s understandable that bad court rulings happen. They’ve happened several times before in American history, but that is no reason to kowtow to bad ideas and fallacious arguments when essential constitutional rights and American founding principles--or rather, American identity itself--is at stake. Attacks on religious liberty in the United States have doubled over the last three years and conservative voters deserve a candidate with the moral courage to stand up to this insidious trend. This country was colonized and founded on the principle of a robust religious liberty, rightly understood. That first freedom doesn’t stop at the boardroom or the classroom, nor does it cease to exist when someone’s feelings get hurt.

    Trying to build a persona as a “moderate,” may get you an endorsement from the New York Times, but is no excuse for denying these realities. As the late Senator and presidential candidate Barry Goldwater famously said, “Moderation in the protection of liberty is no virtue; extremism in the defense of freedom is no vice.” If Governor Kasich truly wishes to be the standard bearer of a party that values our Constitution and the precious, pre-political liberties her first ten amendments were written to protect, he would do well to think long and hard about the meaning of the very first one on the list.

    - See more at: https://www.conservativereview.com/c....gWNtBmPy.dpuf

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    Kasich takes centrist tone on religious freedom, gay marriage
    By HADAS GOLD 02/25/16 09:46 PM EST
    Ohio Gov. John Kasich struck a moderate tone on the subject of religious liberties, saying companies should not be allowed to deny services based on their religious beliefs.
    "Religious institutions should be able to practice the religion that they believe in. No question and no doubt about it," Kasich said when asked by conservative radio host Hugh Hewitt if he can "trust you as much on religious liberty as the rest of these people?"
    Kasich said "of course," but that while he's "always favored traditional marriage," he's moved on since the Supreme Court ruled same-sex marriage constitutional.
    "If you're in the business of selling things, if you're not going to sell to somebody you don't agree, okay, today I'm not going to sell to somebody who's gay, and tomorrow maybe I won't sell to somebody who's divorced. If you're in the business of commerce, conduct commerce. That's my view," Kasich said.
    "And if you don't agree with their lifestyle, say a prayer for them when they leave and hope they change their behavior," Kasich said.
    But, Kasich said, he would still fight for religious institutions, and pointed to his appointments of conservative judges in Ohio.
    "They don't make the law, they interpret the law. That's all they do. And they stick by the constitution. So I will do that. But let's just not get so narrow here as to gotcha this or that. I think my position is clear," he said.


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    John Kasich Has a Religious Freedom Problem
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    Andrew Koppelman is a gay law professor.

    William Saletan is a liberal writer for Slate.

    Peter Tatchell is a LGBT activist.

    All three of them are more supportive of religious freedom for Christians than John Kasich.

    For all the talk about the Republican presidential candidate and Ohio governor being a "moderate," Kasich is an extremist, more akin to President Barack Obama, on religious freedom.

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    Court Says Farmers Must Pay ,000 for Refusing Gay Wedding

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    Christian Baker Appeals to Colo. High Court as State Demands He Serve Gay Weddings

    "I think frankly, our churches should not be forced to do anything that's not consistent with them. But if you're a cupcake maker and somebody wants a cupcake, make them a cupcake. Let's not have a big lawsuit or argument over all this stuff — move on. The next thing, you know, they might be saying, if you're divorced you shouldn't get a cupcake," Kasich said at the Feb. 13 debate.

    The notion that religious liberty is confined to churches, that one should leave their religion behind when they enter the marketplace, is also the basis for the narrow religious freedom exemption in Obama's birth control mandate. Houses of worship are exempt but everyone else must go along, regardless of how offensive abortifacients are to your religious sensibilities, Obama argued. The Supreme Court disagreed.

    When asked again about the issue at the March 3 debate, Kasich avoided a direct answer, saying, "we need to learn to respect each other, and learn to be a little bit more tolerant for one another, and at the end of the day, don't go to court. ... If somebody's being pressured to participate in something that is against their deeply held religious beliefs, then we're gonna have to think about dealing with a law. ... I'd rather people figure this out without having more laws on the books."

    Imagine if Kasich had delivered a similar answer on other issues:

    Abortion: "I'd rather people not have an abortion."

    Gun Control: "I'd rather criminals stop using guns."

    ISIS: "I'd rather terrorists stop attacking us."

    The time to urge people to just be nice and not go to court has passed.

    The religious freedom issue Kasich was asked about — what to do when business owners refuse to service a same-sex wedding ceremony due to their religious convictions — is not a hypothetical. The reason the issue came up during a presidential debate is that people went to court already. Christian business owners, such as those of Arlene's Flowers, Elane Photography, Liberty Ridge Farm, Masterpiece Cakeshop and Sweet Cakes by Melissa, are being heavily fined or put out of business for their refusal to service a gay wedding.

    That Kasich would "think about dealing with a law" at some future date is surely little comfort for them. And given his previous statements on the issue, chances are a Kasich-supported-law would offer them little help anyway.

    The moderate position is to have both religious freedom and gay marriage, to let same-sex couples get a state marriage license while letting dissenters live their lives according to their beliefs.

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    The three liberals mentioned above put it well.

    Koppelman: "I've worked very hard to create a regime in which it is safe to be gay. I would also like that regime to be one in which it is safe to be a religious dissenter."

    Saletan: "I was a best man at a same-sex wedding 23 years ago, and I was a fan of gay marriage even before that. But I'm disturbed by what I see today. We're stereotyping and vilifying opponents of gay marriage the way we've seen gay people stereotyped and vilified. This is a deeply personal moral issue. To get it right, we need more than justice. We need humanity."

    Tatchell: "Much as I wish to defend the gay community, I also want to defend freedom of conscience, expression and religion. ... In my view, it is an infringement of freedom to require businesses to aid the promotion of ideas to which they conscientiously object. Discrimination against people should be unlawful, but not against ideas."

    This is the obvious "middle-of-the-road" position, but more than that, it's the position that upholds the values of tolerance, diversity and liberty that are essential to our democracy.

    If Kasich wants to be the "moderate candidate," this is the position he should embrace.


    Read more at http://www.christianpost.com/news/jo...AlkDLgROLZU.99

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