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Thread: How the Real and False Anointings Are Transferred ?

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    Careful that you dont get too shallow in your approach to figuring out what the Bible does not teach on, Ezekiel 33. A lot can be inferred from the multitude of verses on false teaching, false ministers and even keeping apart from believers that live in sin. Christ vs Belial is more than unclean spirits. But there is nothing that singles out the onlaying of hands. The principle that says that God protects his servants when they walk in innocence is also very strong. The people who thought the cigarette smoking minister was doing something else than that were in a place of innocense.

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    I saw a jezebelic lady try to pray for a minister friend of mine after he was just finished ministering. As she reached out and touched him she fell backwards onto the carpet.The minister was still under the Anointing so he was protected. It depends on the leaders of a meeting. If they release everyone to pray and prophesy over others they must use their authority in the Anointing to cancel any evil spirits from transferring onto others. I have seen all kind of hook-ups start right in church through laying on of hands. Some were good and some were demonic. Be careful who you let lay hands on you personally and protect others if you are the leader. Just good common Bible sense !!!!

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    The Word says to fasten your heart above all things, to make it firm. Even when superminister who isnt quite what he seems is trying to impart everything hes got in his spirit and soul. I think this ties in with the charismatic celebrity thread. Some of those jezebelic ministers you talk about are adept at creating room for imposing influence, being a local celebrity may be enough. I toughened up already in bible school though there was little that was going on there, and it was decidedly small time.

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    Well there is something to all this transference topic:
    Numbers 11:24 So Moses went out and told the people what the Lord had said. He brought together seventy of their elders and had them stand around the tent. 25 Then the Lord came down in the cloud and spoke with him, and he took some of the power of the Spirit that was on him and put it on the seventy elders. When the Spirit rested on them, they prophesied—but did not do so again.

    Note that God did not give the seventy a direct line from His power, but transferred it through Moses.

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    I'll give you an example of something. Back in the day I had a pastor and a few of us got into a discussion about people going to heaven and coming back. Well he said nobody really goes to heaven, that it's really just a vision the Lord gives them of going to heaven. His reason for saying this? The Bible says the body without the spirit is dead, so they really didn't go to heaven in their spirit because they would have died for God to take their spirit to heaven to show them stuff.

    That's what I call "being so hard-nosed on the Word that you miss the Spirit/spirit". Of course Paul did testify to going to heaven, whether in the body or out of the body, he didn't know, but he didn't say it was a vision. I think there are some things that we know don't contradict the Word, and are scriptural, but they're not clear where it is talked about due to not having revelation of the particular verses. Kind of a hard concept to put into words, but you get the idea. Of course we don't have to say something is scriptural if we really don't know, but just 'this is what I believe' or whatever, like the devil understanding tongues thing, and present your case from the Word as to why you think so.

    I think every one here knows I believe the Word of God is the final authority, but the problem is we don't know all the Word, and all the revelation behind any particular scripture or passage. But this story may be blasphemous to some, and may make some thing I don't take the Word as final authority, but nothing could be further from the truth. But I do understand what I am about to tell you, and it really resonated when it was told to me.

    I have a friend, very solid in the Word and the Lord, and he had been spending a lot of time worshipping the Lord very consistently for a long time. One day he was in prayer and something unusual began to happen to him that he didn't have a 'Word reference' for. I can't remember all the detail, but as he began to get scared, the Lord then showed him a vision and he saw the word 'ACTS' as in the book of acts in very large bold letters and something along that line. Then the Spirit said to him (and this was in reference to him being afraid about something that was about to him that he didn't have a scriptural reference for at the time), "The promise of the Father was not the Bible, it was the Holy Spirit." That went off in my spirit like a bomb. Acts is the acts of the HOLY SPIRIT. And there was a multitude of things that happened that they didn't have a 'scriptural reference' for, or could be proved conclusively was God in their limited understanding of the Word. Obviously us looking back on it, and we know Acts is in the Word, we just believe it all. But they didn't have the NT to judge any of it by.

    The thing is, we have the Word, and it is our final authority, but it's the Spirit that gives us the real revelation of the Word. Without Him we know NOTHING about the Word. I know we all like to think our understanding of the Word is infallible, but it isn't. So unless something is just blatantly against the Word, or obviously against the Word, it's open for interpretation. There's a big difference in something being unscriptural, and something that doesn't contradict the Word, but we can't necessarily totally understand or 'prove' with our limited understanding of the Word.

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    Their situation was a bit different. When Peter received a vision from God where he was told that God had made all animals clean and they could be eaten then that plainly contradicted what the law said. This happened during the process of forming the NT canon, the new body of scripture. The Holy Spirit would reveal the things of the new covenant, it would be in accord with things Jesus had said but there wasnt necessarily any written material to judge it against. This is not our situation. If we receive something that really is against the written Word then it is not from God. We have that solid foundation that was only in the process of being formed during the first century. At least the leaders had listened to Jesus for years, including a lot of things he said that are not recorded in scripture as John 21 says. Now as you point out, there is a world of difference between something being unscriptural as in against scripture and something just not being mentioned in scripture.

    What if gold dust manifested on people was one of the things that Jesus did and which was not recorded in the Bible as John 21 says ? Not that he has to have done it or else it is not from God, Jesus also said that we would do greater works than he did. But what if ? How would we know. All we do know is that Jesus' works and words didnt contradict themselves or the completed canon of scripture.

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    I had a thought come to me the other day in regards to this discussion. We are all called to go and lay hands on the sick, cast out devils and preach the gospel. So, do we have some sort of "spiritual check valve" in our arms to keep unclean spirits out when we lay hands on someone who is possessed? (a check valve is a device that only allows whatever is being channeled through the pipe to go in one direction, it blocks the flow from the other direction)

    No! But we do have the Holy Spirit! If we are walking with the Lord and serving Him, no one can impart any unclean spirit to us. The Light that is in us is greater than any darkness! Greater is He who is in us than he who is in the world.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ezekiel 33 View Post
    The only book that is important in this matter is the Word of God.
    Careful... you might offend someone by suggesting we list to what the Lord has to say.

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