Thread: Did God Send Joseph to Egypt?

Originally Posted by victoryword

Bookie, I understand your heart, but both sides don't necessarily share the idea about walking in faith. Faith has much to do with the how when understands God's character. If one if of the idea that God is the "first-cause" of everything that happens then it is difficult for many people to have faith for relief from whatever difficulties they encounter.

Furthermore, if one defines faith as the average Calvinist does - i.e., trust that God has a purpose for your tragedy or difficulty or He would never have "ordained" or "allowed" it to happen in the first place, then it goes against the Biblical idea of faith as taught by Jesus, which is to confront and command the removal of your difficulty (Mark 11:22-14).

Therefore, these little quibbles will probably continue on because I personally will never compromise the truth of God's Word for the sake of "peace."

Was God the first cause in Job's case? Satan could not do anything to Job without going to the "first cause": God Himself.

I think of God as the "ultimate" cause. If He's not, then why bother to pray during adversity? When we're under attack and we pray, are we not expressing our belief that God can overcome or reverse our adversity? If so, how is He not the ultimate authority or "cause" if you prefer that word? If I thought God was not the ultimate "go-to" sovereign in my adversity, I'd never bother to pray. One of the mysteries of God (to me) is that He does work all things after the counsel of His will. He IS sovereign. If He's not, I'll no longer pray to a God who hasn't the "first cause" power to remedy my situation.

Satan was the one who started accusing Job in chapter 1. The fact that God listens to Satans accusation and allows him to incite Him against Job and allow Satan to have power over him demonstrates that Job was not under the same covenant we are under, where the accuser has been silenced, God is well pleased with us and Satan has no power over us except for what we give him.

Originally Posted by Colonel

Satan was the one who started accusing Job in chapter 1. The fact that God listens to Satans accusation and allows him to incite Him against Job and allow Satan to have power over him demonstrates that Job was not under the same covenant we are under, where the accuser has been silenced, God is well pleased with us and Satan has no power over us except for what we give him.

So you find nothing useful in the book of Job for Christians under the new covenant?

Originally Posted by Bookman

So you find nothing useful in the book of Job for Christians under the new covenant?

Job responded correctly the first time but not the second time. His knowledge about God was lacking in general. Though Ive read the entire book more than a dozen times, I find the part starting with Elihu's speech in chapter 32 and ending with God's speech continuing Elihus speech through chapter 42 very interesting.

Originally Posted by Colonel

Brilliant !

This is a commercial (there were many different ones) we used to have here in the U.S. that you might not be familiar with. Any time I see "Brilliant!" I always think of it. :)

Guinness from a can is better, it has an inbuilt device that gives it the right foam. I only seem to drink it when on the British isles though.

Originally Posted by Colonel

Satan was the one who started accusing Job in chapter 1. .

This is not about this thread but addressing your above comment....It was actually God who brought up Job to satan


Job 1:6 Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan also came among them.
Job 1:7 And the LORD said to Satan, "From where do you come?" So Satan answered the LORD and said, "From going to and fro on the earth, and from walking back and forth on it."
Job 1:8 Then the LORD said to Satan, "Have you considered My servant Job, that there is none like him on the earth, a blameless and upright man, one who fears God and shuns evil?"

Yes but he didnt accuse him nor did he give Satan a reason to accuse him. The natural reaction for one of the sons of God would not be to naysay what God said.

Originally Posted by victoryword

Bookie, I understand your heart, but both sides don't necessarily share the idea about walking in faith. Faith has much to do with the how when understands God's character. If one if of the idea that God is the "first-cause" of everything that happens then it is difficult for many people to have faith for relief from whatever difficulties they encounter.

Furthermore, if one defines faith as the average Calvinist does - i.e., trust that God has a purpose for your tragedy or difficulty or He would never have "ordained" or "allowed" it to happen in the first place, then it goes against the Biblical idea of faith as taught by Jesus, which is to confront and command the removal of your difficulty (Mark 11:22-14).

Therefore, these little quibbles will probably continue on because I personally will never compromise the truth of God's Word for the sake of "peace."

God often wants to see how much "fight" we have in us to win the battle set before us.