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Originally Posted by
Cardinal TT
You will NEVER know his personal name this side of heaven
You need to answer these questions to understand why God has deliberately not revealed his personal name.....I believe he does have one but chooses to keep it secret
Or maybe we just have not asked?
Does the Holy Spirit have a personal name....and if he does why is the revelation give only to call him by his title
No
Jesus told us to call him Father and taught us to pray to Father and Jesus always called him Father....if it was that important Jesus would have told us his personal name
Good point
God has chosen to invest everything into the name of his son.
Food for thought
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I told you, his secret name is XYZZY. It opens a lot of doors including to heaven. Even the fourth and eighth heavens. Go ahead, argue.
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Quest
Can you ask God and let us know what personal name he reveals to you
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Originally Posted by
Colonel
I told you, his secret name is XYZZY. It opens a lot of doors including to heaven. Even the fourth and eighth heavens. Go ahead, argue.
Many cults go down this track.....Jehovah's witnesses are deceived and they call God Jehovah
BTW....I have no issue singing worship songs which use Jehovah as to me its a title not a name
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Acts 4:12 "Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved."
Acts 16:31 "And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house."
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Originally Posted by
curly sue
Acts 4:12 "Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved."
Acts 16:31 "And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house."
That's the beauty of God, what he does offends us. He takes a ordinary name and declares it higher than any other name.
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Originally Posted by
Cardinal TT
That's the beauty of God, what he does offends us. He takes a ordinary name and declares it higher than any other name.
I don't see this passage implying Jesus name is above the Father's..but that it is above all OTHER authority...
Philippians 2:
8Being found in appearance as a man, He humbled Himself by becoming obedient to the point of death, even death on a cross. 9For this reason also, God highly exalted Him, and bestowed on Him the name which is above every name, 10so that at the name of Jesus EVERY KNEE WILL BOW, of those who are in heaven and on earth and under the earth..
God the Father will not be bowing to Jesus so this passage is not saying Jesus' name is above the name of the Father, nor can that even be implied, I don't believe.
Where I do see your point is in the statement that Jesus Himself did not call God by His proper name that we know of or that was recorded that I know of...but I have not investigated that yet..for now you get the gold star for the winning point on the debate...not to say it won't be revisited in the future :)))
I also agree that God the Father made HIS NAME KNOWN through the person of Jesus, His Son. Jesus as the mediator was allocated full authority..so it does appear that God opted to 'take a back seat' in a sense and that makes sense because Jesus came to the JEWS and His objective was to be the living truth ...and was God incarnate so in order to break their religious mindset He had to offend them..and scripture tells us He offended them by calling God His Father and we have the impression that when He stated to Caiphas 'I am' He ws making it clear that He was the final authority...that was the offense ...that God had given this authority to men..they believed He should give it to THEM and were totally offended by the character and 'lowly' One GOD chose...
I would say God stepped aside to allow the mediator to come to the forefront..God incarnate in the Son..
So I wonder if when we speak the name of ..if it is transliterated correctly as I noted earlier, it actually CONTAINS the proper name of the Father?
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We have access to the Father through Jesus. We can not approach the Father except through Jesus. Invoking the Father's name except through Jesus will accomplish nothing.
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Originally Posted by
Colonel
We have access to the Father through Jesus. We can not approach the Father except through Jesus. Invoking the Father's name except through Jesus will accomplish nothing.
As I said several times...I am not talking about 'invoking His name' to accomplish anything.
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It has nothing to do with winning a gold star...it is about the revealed will of Father God who has invested everything into his son and to operate through the name of his son
Every name in the OT ...Jesus has fulfilled
You will not find the Fathers personal name anywhere in scripture no matter how much you look and neither will the Father reveal it to you or anyone else in this lifetime.
All of us have to accept some things as impossible in this life
Please forgive me if I come across as harsh not trying to be....
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