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    I had a similar experience in late 1987 where something natural occurred to predict the future. I took it as God was showing me to be prepared and not be surprised

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    Should we take that as meaning that Ananias now had no free will in relation to this matter, that he was physically incapable of disobeying?
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    Anyone can disobey. Even if it is the audible voice of the Lord.
    Then Elijah said to the prophets of Baal, "There are many of you, so you go first. Choose a bull and prepare it. Pray to your god, but don't start the fire."So they took the bull that was given to them and prepared it. They prayed to Baal from morning until noon, shouting "Baal, answer us!" But there was no sound, and no one answered. They danced around the altar they had built.At noon Elijah began to make fun of them. "Pray louder!" he said. "If Baal really is a god, maybe he is thinking, or busy, or traveling! Maybe he is sleeping so you will have to wake him!"

    Is your god Baal who might be busy or sleeping or is He the God of Abraham, of Isaac and of Jacob who knows the beginning from the end and for sure knows if someone's going to obey Him when He tells him to do something?

    Do you think God said "Leave your country, your relatives, and your father's family, and go to the land I will show you" to multiple men just in case somewhere along the line Abram changed his mind?

    Do you think God has his eye on a couple of spare virgins just in case Mary would say "no" to the offer to be the human mother of the promised Messiah? (Maybe Mary wasn't the first virgin He made the offer to? Not documented of course because it would be so embarassing)

    Do you think God had a few other men trained in the Law to the level of Paul and running round killing Christians just in case after God showed Paul "how much he must suffer for (Jesus') name" Paul said "No way man!" and scurried off into obscurity?

    Do you think God had multiple people building multiple arks before the flood? Noah was over 500 before starting to build it over maybe 75 years and 600 when the flood came. Lot of work building an ark, and for 75 years, what if Noah got sick of it or the physical labour gave him a heart attack and he died?

    Well my God knows exactly what's going to happen next; and after that; and after that; ad infinitum.

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    I believe God has foreknowledge but stating prophecies complicates things because introducing something into the world from the outside tends to alter the future. Or give the hearer of the prophecy the opportunity to thwart the prophecy, if he can see a way of doing so. In general I dont think God prophecies in order to demonstrate his ability to force it to come to pass. He could translocate the disobedient hearer of the New York prophecy who is hiding in Asia to NY on that day but I dont think that he is interested in doing that sort of thing.

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    Yes "introducing something into the world from the outside (could) ... alter the future" but it could also be done to cause the future to be what you want it to be could it not?

    Though there is prophesy and warnings. Paul was warned ... but over Jehu was prophesy:

    2 Kings 10:30 The Lord said to Jehu, "Because you have done well in executing what is right in My eyes, and have done to the house of Ahab according to all that was in My heart, your sons of the fourth generation shall sit on the throne of Israel."

    2 Kings 15:11-12 Now the rest of the acts of Zechariah, behold they are written in the Book of the Chronicles of the Kings of Israel. This is the word of the Lord which He spoke to Jehu, saying, "Your sons to the fourth generation shall sit on the throne of Israel." And so it was.

    Remember the OT rule, if it doesn't come true it wasn't prophesy so the "prophet" was to be stoned. True prophesy can't be thwarted because God is not a liar. What He says will happen does.

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    Yes but not all prophecy is excrutiatingly specific and there is a reason for that. God could use his foreknowledge to manipulate us thoroughly but I think he chooses to interact with us to a larger degree because he is more interested in our hearts. Like Paul told Philemon, he wanted his goodness to be of his own free will and not by compulsion, Paul wanted his heart not just the correct act.

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