Thread: Man raised back to life in church service

Was Moses' hand capable of affecting the battle without the power of God ?

Is a defibrillator capable of reviving someone without the power of God ?

Are you going to declare every defibrillator revival a resurrection miracle ? Is it even possible to water down the meaning of the word miracle further than this ?

Originally Posted by Colonel

Was Moses' hand capable of affecting the battle without the power of God ?

Nope...no more than the defibrillators can without the power of God.. that was the point

Is a defibrillator capable of reviving someone without the power of God ?

I don't think so...that was my point....isn't HE Lord to determine the return of the soul to the body?

To a non-believer, that kind of a statement is absolutely unconvincing. You are merely packaging something in religious terminology. Successfully commanding a man three days dead and decaying to come out of his grave involves a resurrection miracle.

Originally Posted by Colonel

To a non-believer, that kind of a statement is absolutely unconvincing. You are merely packaging something in religious terminology. Successfully commanding a man three days dead and decaying to come out of his grave involves a resurrection miracle.

Frankly I don't grasp you taking the discussion to, 'what would unbelievers think?' is relevant...


I know YOU say this was not a resurrection miracle but I have not seen the proof of that conclusion...

I agree it would be more convincing but that is just because when doctors are involved we give them the credit when in fact God was intervening even then..

Originally Posted by Quest

Frankly I don't grasp you taking the discussion to, 'what would unbelievers think?' is relevant...


I know YOU say this was not a resurrection miracle but I have not seen the proof of that conclusion...

I agree it would be more convincing but that is just because when doctors are involved we give them the credit when in fact God was intervening even then..

I never said that it cannot have been a resurrection miracle. I only said that there is no reason for a non-believer to believe that it was. The only effect of proclaiming to the world that a man who was revived by a defibrillator was "resurrected by the power of God" is that they will think that that is the best we can do. That is exactly what I would have thought 30 years ago and it would have lead me in the other direction than what is intended. I'm not even unsure about that result, I'm certain of it.

Originally Posted by Colonel

I never said that it cannot have been a resurrection miracle. I only said that there is no reason for a non-believer to believe that it was. The only effect of proclaiming to the world that a man who was revived by a defibrillator was "resurrected by the power of God" is that they will think that that is the best we can do. That is exactly what I would have thought 30 years ago and it would have lead me in the other direction than what is intended. I'm not even unsure about that result, I'm certain of it.

Even if God's power or leading was involved, that doesnt mean it amounted to a resurrection. A successful defibrillation does not equal a resurrection miracle. No more than injecting anti-venom equals a miraculous healing from poison.

This was where we started down this road..no mention of what an unbeliever would think..key word being unbeliever..

This was YOU saying what YOU thought about it..when you shifted to what an unbeliever might think I stated...Irrelevant...

So with that I guess we conclude..you are undecided, unbelievers would not believe, and I believe it was a resurrection because he was DEAD and now he is alive..an act I believe only God can facilitate even if He does use a human to pump the flesh and blood heart..