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Originally Posted by
Smitty
I asked a guy many years ago in the church I was attending at that time if he was saved. He told me yes, I was baptized as an infant.
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Originally Posted by
Smitty
I asked a guy many years ago in the church I was attending at that time if he was saved. He told me yes, I was baptized as an infant.
Reminds me of this old video.
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Originally Posted by
Smitty
I asked a guy many years ago in the church I was attending at that time if he was saved. He told me yes, I was baptized as an infant.
I'll try and keep this brief. Back in the day a friend while in church asked me to come pray for her son-in-law for the baptism in the Holy Spirit. His dad was a pastor, and the guy i was praying for was in his early 20s. I was sitting in a pew in front of him turned around praying for him. So I did what I normally do, explained some things to him, then had him repeat a prayer after me asking Jesus to baptize him in the Holy Spirit, then I laid hands on him to receive and...nothing. Dead as a door nail.
So I'm sitting there pondering, and the Holy Spirit says to me 'He's not saved.' I just assumed he was since he was a pastor's son (because of this incident I never assume anyone is saved any more when praying for them to be filled). So I asked him when he was saved, and he said, "I was baptized when I was 5." Just like your situation. So I led him in a prayer of salvation, then had him pray after me to be filled, and this time when I told him to receive and laid hands on him, tongues show out of him like a cannon. It startled all of us there.
So, every since this happened, I always include a prayer of salvation at the beginning of the prayer for being filled with the Holy Spirit in case they're not saved. I've found many people will be drawn by the prospect of being baptized in the Holy Spirit, but they're not saved. If they're sincere about being baptized in the Holy Spirit then they will be saved when I lead them in the prayer of salvation.
I took this a step further earlier this year when I preached 3 services in a hispanic church in TX, and when I went to Africa. I preached on the baptism in the Holy Spirit and tongues every service in TX and Africa. Every altar call for those that came up to be filled I actually let them in a totally separate prayer for salvation before I prayed for them to receive. I've always done this as I said, but this time I made it totally distinct. I am finding that teaching about the baptism in the Holy Spirit is a great way to get people saved, since they have to be saved to be filled.
And one other thing, even if they are saved, most Christians have some kind of sin in their lives, so having them pray a prayer of forgiveness and salvation help them get a clear conscience that could be a hindrance to being filled.
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Originally Posted by
Ezekiel 33
2000 people is not a large enough sample to make such a claim. What were the demographics of those questioned?
For all we know hundreds of them could have been catholic or JW or some other perversion of what is loosely called "Christianity" these days.
I'll be happy when people stop badmouthing others in the faith. It does no good to slander other Christians anywhere, esp. on a public forum. I have many good Christian friends who are Catholic and JW. My entire family is Catholic! My employer was JW.
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Originally Posted by
MicMac
I'll be happy when people stop badmouthing others in the faith. It does no good to slander other Christians anywhere, esp. on a public forum. I have many good Christian friends who are Catholic and JW. My entire family is Catholic! My employer was JW.
I don't know very much about Catholics other than there are many Charismatic Catholics that are born again. As for JW, if that means Jehovah's Witness, I know very much about that cult, and they are NOT Biblical (born again) Christians. Period.
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Originally Posted by
Valiant Woman
I don't know very much about Catholics other than there are many Charismatic Catholics that are born again. As for JW, if that means Jehovah's Witness, I know very much about that cult, and they are NOT Biblical (born again) Christians. Period.
As are Mormons. Nice as they may act, they are still (as the Word declares) anathema.
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Originally Posted by
Valiant Woman
I don't know very much about Catholics other than there are many Charismatic Catholics that are born again. As for JW, if that means Jehovah's Witness, I know very much about that cult, and they are NOT Biblical (born again) Christians. Period.
You don't have the authority to pass that kind of judgment on anyone. Salvation is individually based.
The biggest cult in Christianity today is the trinity cult.
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FireBrand
As are Mormons. Nice as they may act, they are still (as the Word declares) anathema.
I out of here. You are a cursed piece of crap.
I have dozens of Catholic and JW friends and family and they are better Christians than the assholes here on this biased idiocy of a forum.
Please delete me.
Last edited by John; 06-22-2023 at 11:36 PM.
Reason: deleted F-bomb
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Originally Posted by
MicMac
I out of here. You are a cursed piece of crap.
I have dozens of Catholic and JW friends and family and they are better Christians than the assholes here on this biased idiocy of a forum.
Please delete me.
Se you all fucking later.
Didn't last long
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