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Originally Posted by
Valiant Woman
Check your Messenger. He's been doing that for years. At first he was subtle, not so much now.
Listened to what you sent on Messenger .. I don't know if I can really say I detected any bashing from that .. But I will say that I did feel that he was getting a little too close to the Hollywood crowd in order to be relevant in the past
Of late though I have been hearing some hard hitting messages from him and he seems to have reduced his interaction with the Hollywood Crowd. Matter of fact his sermon this morning he sounded like the Faith Preachers (Faith without works is dead etc) and I heard recently that he preached a sermon that offended feminists .
So I don't know ... He wasn't fully my cup of tea for a variety of reasons in the past but of late I increasingly enjoy his teaching .
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Originally Posted by
BAP
Listened to what you sent on Messenger .. I don't know if I can really say I detected any bashing from that .. But I will say that I did feel that he was getting a little too close to the Hollywood crowd in order to be relevant in the past
Of late though I have been hearing some hard hitting messages from him and he seems to have reduced his interaction with the Hollywood Crowd. Matter of fact his sermon this morning he sounded like the Faith Preachers (Faith without works is dead etc) and I heard recently that he preached a sermon that offended feminists .
So I don't know ... He wasn't fully my cup of tea for a variety of reasons in the past but of late I increasingly enjoy his teaching .
It was back in the mid-90's to the early 2000's during the time when WOF was rapidly catching on.
I was done when he began his eluding that his beliefs in homosexuality was "evolving."
This interview from 2015 was the beginning of his evolvement.
A few weeks ago I listened to a message by Jakes where he alluded that David and Jonathan were lovers, as well as Ruth and Naomi. I was appalled to say the least. I'm still trying to find it.
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Originally Posted by
Valiant Woman
It was back in the mid-90's to the early 2000's during the time when WOF was rapidly catching on.
I was done when he began his eluding that his beliefs in homosexuality was "evolving."
This interview from 2015 was the beginning of his evolvement.
A few weeks ago I listened to a message by Jakes where he alluded that David and Jonathan were lovers, as well as Ruth and Naomi. I was appalled to say the least. I'm still trying to find it.
I have never really cared for his take on Socio-Political issues . I have always deemed them somewhat ambiguous. That said I do think some of his non answers are from an attempt to be "Wise as a serpent"
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Originally Posted by
BAP
I have never really cared for his take on Socio-Political issues . I have always deemed them somewhat ambiguous. That said I do think some of his non answers are from an attempt to be "Wise as a serpent"
We'll see. More scandals are coming out about him (his own sexuality) and his children, particularly his daughter. But, I'll wait until such time that hard evidence is provided. If it's proven untrue, it'll be a relief. Although I don't care for his preaching anymore, I don't wish to see him maligned.
Gino Jennings has made some scathing accusations against Jakes. But he does that against most preachers! According to Gino, every preacher has skeletons, is crooked, or they're gay.
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This is from Madyson Marquette's Telegram channel, posted by her:
Southern Baptists Convention sex abuse scandal prompts federal investigation.
Who's connected to the Southern Baptist Convention? Steven Furtick.
Who trained Steven Furtick í ½í±‰T.D. Jakes.
Who else has Furtick aligned himself with í ½í±‰ Trafficking preachers Joel Osteen, James MacDonald, Ed Young Jr., Perry Noble and T.D. Jakes.
Arrests are coming.
Arrests are here.
Didn't Hillsong fall? The Southern Baptist Convention is falling. More will come!
Time to give the land back to God.
Telegram: Contact @madysonmarquettehernews
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A.J.
Expose it all.
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Originally Posted by
Valiant Woman
Message pops up saying "unable to open."
When I click the link, it opens a window that asks if I want to view in the app.
If you're on Telegram, search you can search for her channel, Madyson Marquette Her News.
I posted the whole post, but if you want to see what else she's saying, you'll have to join her channel I guess.
She's also interviewed on YouTube quite a bit.
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I listened to the 5 minute clip Colonel posted on TD Jakes speaking to Huff Post....and remembering how Joel was baited similarly and stepped into the trap.
He is speaking strictly from the POV of a Republic. "Inside the church has your view shifted..." He responded, "The argument has to be theological and not sociological. The fact that the world has turned that way does not mean the church has turned that way." I do not perceive that his POV of homosexuality being sin has evolved, only, maybe his methodology (behind closed doors) and (assigning labels to ostracize) of ministering to people with that issue.
IMHO he was taking what we would call a PC posture to avoid being baited into a position alienating struggling homosexuals....
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Originally Posted by
Valiant Woman
We'll see. More scandals are coming out about him (his own sexuality) and his children, particularly his daughter. But, I'll wait until such time that hard evidence is provided. If it's proven untrue, it'll be a relief. Although I don't care for his preaching anymore, I don't wish to see him maligned.
Gino Jennings has made some scathing accusations against Jakes. But he does that against most preachers! According to Gino, every preacher has skeletons, is crooked, or they're gay.
I agree with Bap. He was evading.
Any preacher who extracts themselves from political frey is wide open for accusation of compromise. It is a strategy.
I agree....But I have looked at these issues from the social and political so I totally get what he is saying. I hear Christians who think by Christian nation that means our laws should favor Christian views such as allowing Christian clubs on school grounds while banning Satanist clubs. That is the POV he is emphasizing. If they had asked him about the church of Satan I suspect his response would have ben the same. When pressed for a theological POV he said that should be held behind closed doors. That kept them from being able to label him. I think his did like Jesus, He gave a non answer often to questions...that is wisdom.
I did find a quote from another article posted kind of ???. "Further, I have come to respect that I can't force my beliefs on others by controlling public policy for taxpayers and other U.S. citizens."
I do not agree being Christian means being passive and find it hard to believe he does either considering his strong political support for the Democrat party. I suspect that statement also speaks more to this that interview by Huff Post and affirms he is just saying he will be less vocal in public on controversial political issues.
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