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    Ted Haggard new allegations

    Powerhouse preacher Ted Haggard faces new allegations of illicit behavior | Subscriber-Only Content | gazette.com


    National evangelical Christian powerhouse Ted Haggard, who founded New Life Church in Colorado Springs in 1984, grew it to 14,000 worshippers and was excommunicated in 2006 amid accusations that he paid a male escort for sex and was using methamphetamine, is facing new allegations from another congregation he started in 2010, Saint James Church.

    Some former members allege that Haggard has continued his tendencies toward same-sex encounters and illicit drug use, and they say they have proof.

    "People are scared and worried and don't want to be connected to him anymore," said the Rev. Kirk "Seth" Sethman, who was ordained as a minister by Saint James Church in October 2012.

    Two young men, one of whom was a minor at the time the alleged incidents occurred in 2019, claim on a recorded tape — which Sethman shared with church elders and The Gazette — that Haggard made them feel uncomfortable in his mannerisms he displayed while around them.

    The minor said on the tape that his statement was unrehearsed and uncoerced, and he wanted people to know that Haggard touched him inappropriately on several occasions at the church.

    "Sometimes when he touches me, it feels very predatorial and very strange," the teen says. "He'll touch me on my pecs or my back or hug me in a way that I'm sliding up his hip or the side of his thigh or his bum. You can kind of tell it's weird."

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    I remember him being a top name on the ticket of conferences and authoring articles in Charisma Magazine back then.

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    The power of sinful flesh is strong - that's why crucifixion is the only answer

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    Why do people always want to go back into leadership in a church? UGH! I've seen it so many times. I just don't understand. I think some people are
    just setting themselves up for more failure!! I blame the Christians that allow this just as much as the one that wants to go back into leadership without lots and lots of boundaries and accountability in place.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joy View Post
    Why do people always want to go back into leadership in a church? UGH! I've seen it so many times. I just don't understand. I think some people are
    just setting themselves up for more failure!! I blame the Christians that allow this just as much as the one that wants to go back into leadership without lots and lots of boundaries and accountability in place.
    Money/ income.

    What else are they going to do when ministry is all they know? Sell life insurance? I can name many pastors & leaders who have fallen and keep right on pastoring even if it means a church split. Only a few go through the proper process.

    Then again, and I know I am perhaps one of only a few here who believes once a pastor has failed morally, he is disqualified from ever pastoring.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pentecali View Post
    Money/ income.

    What else are they going to do when ministry is all they know? Sell life insurance? I can name many pastors & leaders who have fallen and keep right on pastoring even if it means a church split. Only a few go through the proper process.

    Then again, and I know I am perhaps one of only a few here who believes once a pastor has failed morally, he is disqualified from ever pastoring.
    Unfortunately, I know many of them too. I believe there are people that have repented and turned completely from the sin. I totally believe in repentance and forgiveness. I've also seen people with so much charisma go back into ministry and fall into the same sin all over again.
    I think they are so susceptible to succumbing to the same sin. No one ever gets up planning to do the same sin again but they have to be on guard ALL the time.

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    "Sometimes when he touches me, it feels very predatorial and very strange," the teen says. "He'll touch me on my pecs or my back or hug me in a way that I'm sliding up his hip or the side of his thigh or his bum. You can kind of tell it's weird."
    I'm not defending him but that is maybe a smoking gun. But it's no proof of anything. If you're going to destroy him again at least have something a little more substantial than it made you feel weird.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fuego View Post
    I'm not defending him but that is maybe a smoking gun. But it's no proof of anything. If you're going to destroy him again at least have something a little more substantial than it made you feel weird.
    The article is long and includes a lot more details.

    I only posted a portion.

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