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Originally Posted by
John
Vaccines can have some benefit for some people so I'm not "anti-vax" as in "no one should ever get a vax", I am anti-forced-vax, anti-mandated-vax, anti-fear-manipulated-vax, anti-vax-children-who-don't-need-the-vax, a few others but not entirely "anti-vax".
All of that plus anti-experimental mRna vaccine.
I've never been 100% anti-vax... 4 years ago, when I was preparing to go to Guatemala and Belize, I had a Hep-B shot. I refused the other one, can't remember what it was now...
I've become more and more vax-cautious. I was vaxxed as a kid... my kids were vaxxed, being born in the 80s... what has blown my mind is the sheer NUMBER of shots they give to kids now and some of the ingredients, while I could possibly dismiss some of them if it was just a few shots, but shot upon shot upon shot... those ingredients become increasingly toxic and some of them cross the blood-brain barrier.... the increasing numbers of autism and learning disabilities (and yes, I know they claim it's not the vaccines causing it) ... I'd like to know how you COULDN'T question at least some of them.
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If we skip all the conspiracy theories and other speculation, worldwide excess death statistics indicate that covid deaths are typically higher than what is reported, that the vaccine rollout lead to fewer deaths than what was previously expected based on the same infection numbers. And that vaccine related deaths are completely insignificant compared to covid deaths.
People may have personal reasons or issues that lead them to not wanting to be vaccinated. So I'm personally against forcing individuals to be vaccinated.
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Originally Posted by
A.J.
I can't help but wonder when they added to the definition... they really do do that, ya know.
This is why I keep older dictionaries around.
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Originally Posted by
A.J.
All of that plus anti-experimental mRna vaccine.
I've never been 100% anti-vax... 4 years ago, when I was preparing to go to Guatemala and Belize, I had a Hep-B shot. I refused the other one, can't remember what it was now...
I've become more and more vax-cautious. I was vaxxed as a kid... my kids were vaxxed, being born in the 80s... what has blown my mind is the sheer NUMBER of shots they give to kids now and some of the ingredients, while I could possibly dismiss some of them if it was just a few shots, but shot upon shot upon shot... those ingredients become increasingly toxic and some of them cross the blood-brain barrier.... the increasing numbers of autism and learning disabilities (and yes, I know they claim it's not the vaccines causing it) ... I'd like to know how you COULDN'T question at least some of them.
My kids were born in the 80s but I certainly don't remember 76 vaxxes! This is absolutely crazy. I came across my own vax card and saw I had 3... I do remember later my mom taking us for an MMR (Measles, Mumps and Rubella), but that's it.
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My kids were born in the 80s but I certainly don't remember 76 vaxxes! This is absolutely crazy. I came across my own vax card and saw I had 3... I do remember later my mom taking us for an MMR (Measles, Mumps and Rubella), but that's it.
I remember getting a shot for german measles and then catching german measles (1964), having to wear sunglasses and try to stay out of direct sunlight. Never had a mumps shot, caught it more than once. Oh and sucking on a sugar cube with serum in it. Mary Poppins was right about that one.
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I try not to cast doubt on anyone saying that the Holy Spirit told them something. Yet, I still find it strange how often I hear two different people say that the Holy Spirit told each of them to do the exact opposite thing for exact opposite reasons. The vaccine has been only the latest of this phenomenon.
"The Lord told me not to get the vaccine because it's dangerous"
"The Lord told me to get it because He is the One who brought into being through the prayers of His people."
All I can say though, from my perspective and research of this vaccine is that I can't believe that God is in it or has anything to do with it and I refuse to get it. While I left my job, in part because of the mandate, I see the mandates are being toppled and people are once again allowed to have freedom of conscience. That looks more like God to me than the oppressive cry to COMPLY or else we destroy your life scenario.
Of course, on this point I am speaking from a natural standpoint from what I have read and heard and not based on any supernatural guidance.
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Originally Posted by
victoryword
t it because He is the One who brought into being through the prayers of His people."
All I can say though, from my perspective and research of this vaccine is that I can't believe that God is in it or has anything to do with it and I refuse to get it. While I left my job, in part because of the mandate, I see the mandates are being toppled and people are once again allowed to have freedom of conscience. That looks more like God to me than the oppressive cry to COMPLY or else we destroy your life scenario.
Yes. Two scriptures come to mind.
2 Corinthians 3:17 Now the Lord is that Spirit: and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty.
I think a lot of Christians balk at orders and mandates that don't proceed directly from the throne room (the Word).
and ..
1 Peter 5:3 Don't lord it over the people assigned to your care, but lead them by your own good example.
Same as above, barking orders don't really register with many Christians, no matter how loud the bark.
Great to see you again VW, you were missed. I hope the new direction in your life is blessed beyond anything you can imagine!
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Originally Posted by
John
Yes. Two scriptures come to mind.
2 Corinthians 3:17 Now the Lord is that Spirit: and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty.
I think a lot of Christians balk at orders and mandates that don't proceed directly from the throne room (the Word).
and ..
1 Peter 5:3 Don't lord it over the people assigned to your care, but lead them by your own good example.
Same as above, barking orders don't really register with many Christians, no matter how loud the bark.
Great to see you again VW, you were missed. I hope the new direction in your life is blessed beyond anything you can imagine!
Thanks John. I have been very busy the past few months with ministry and a full time job. Well, the job is now gone and it is now ministry solely at this point. However, God has been super-good to us in His mercy and provision. Now that I have a little more time on my hands I hope to occasionally come here and help stir up trouble.... uh.... I mean discussion
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Originally Posted by
FireBrand
I remember getting a shot for german measles and then catching german measles (1964), having to wear sunglasses and try to stay out of direct sunlight. Never had a mumps shot, caught it more than once. Oh and sucking on a sugar cube with serum in it. Mary Poppins was right about that one.
that was against polio :-)
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Originally Posted by
tschau
that was against polio :-)
Exactly
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