Page 3 of 3 FirstFirst 123
Results 21 to 27 of 27

Thread: Christians Converting to Judaism

  1. #21
    Administrator fuego's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2015
    Posts
    16,271
    Thanked: 14129
    Blog Entries
    1
    Quote Originally Posted by LionHeart View Post
    Colossians 2:16
    Orthodox Jewish Bible
    16 Therefore, let no one judge you [Goyim] in eating and in drinking or in respect to a yom tov (yontev) or a rosh chodesh or Shabbos;
    Quote Originally Posted by FireBrand View Post
    Amen. This is so often kicked aside by zealous Messianics and Judaizers.
    Somehow I'm not getting what is meant by these posts. I'm not disagreeing, I seriously don't understand the point for some reason. I'm sure it will have been 'duh' obvious once you tell me.

  2. #22
    Quote Originally Posted by fuego View Post
    Somehow I'm not getting what is meant by these posts. I'm not disagreeing, I seriously don't understand the point for some reason. I'm sure it will have been 'duh' obvious once you tell me.
    The point of contention between some messianics (Judaized especially) and the rest of us believers comes in at the day we celebrate sabbath/church. We say Sunday is holy and they say we violate the sabbath.

  3. The Following User Says Thank You to FireBrand For This Useful Post:

    fuego (12-16-2021)

  4. #23
    Senior Member Tehilah Ba'Aretz's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2015
    Location
    Jerusalem, Israel
    Posts
    563
    Thanked: 647
    Quote Originally Posted by FireBrand View Post
    The point of contention between some messianics (Judaized especially) and the rest of us believers comes in at the day we celebrate sabbath/church. We say Sunday is holy and they say we violate the sabbath.
    Sunday is indeed holy. As is Monday, Tuesday etc. Unfortunately, all are named after Hellenistic gods. And Sunday was declared holy by the Roman church, replacing the seventh day of the week which was considered lazy because people should work six days a week and the Romans prefered to rest on the first day of the week.
    But it is rightly said above that these things do not enhance salvation. One thing enhances our salvation and that is the growth of our love for the One true God. Everything else is either a witness of that love or false. It is not a sin to obey God's instructions but that obedience will not produce salvation. It is not a sin to worship every day of the week, including the seventh day. God can and does forgive every sin and gift us with salvation.

  5. The Following User Says Thank You to Tehilah Ba'Aretz For This Useful Post:

    tschau (12-19-2021)

  6. #24
    Quote Originally Posted by Tehilah Ba'Aretz View Post
    Sunday is indeed holy. As is Monday, Tuesday etc. Unfortunately, all are named after Hellenistic gods. And Sunday was declared holy by the Roman church, replacing the seventh day of the week which was considered lazy because people should work six days a week and the Romans prefered to rest on the first day of the week.
    But it is rightly said above that these things do not enhance salvation. One thing enhances our salvation and that is the growth of our love for the One true God. Everything else is either a witness of that love or false. It is not a sin to obey God's instructions but that obedience will not produce salvation. It is not a sin to worship every day of the week, including the seventh day. God can and does forgive every sin and gift us with salvation.
    God's instructions to the church are in the New Testament! The New Covenant surpasses and does away with the old covenant and most of it's laws. We are not bound to keep feasts, sabbaths, special dietary laws ect.

  7. The Following User Says Thank You to LionHeart For This Useful Post:

    Romans828 (12-17-2021)

  8. #25
    Quote Originally Posted by Tehilah Ba'Aretz View Post
    Sunday is indeed holy. As is Monday, Tuesday etc. Unfortunately, all are named after Hellenistic gods. And Sunday was declared holy by the Roman church, replacing the seventh day of the week which was considered lazy because people should work six days a week and the Romans prefered to rest on the first day of the week.
    But it is rightly said above that these things do not enhance salvation. One thing enhances our salvation and that is the growth of our love for the One true God. Everything else is either a witness of that love or false. It is not a sin to obey God's instructions but that obedience will not produce salvation. It is not a sin to worship every day of the week, including the seventh day. God can and does forgive every sin and gift us with salvation.
    Amen. Agreed.

  9. #26
    Senior Member Cardinal TT's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2015
    Posts
    7,640
    Thanked: 5995
    Blog Entries
    2
    Quote Originally Posted by Tehilah Ba'Aretz View Post
    Jesus is Jewish. He never changes. If anyone is going to curse Judaism they should be very careful to get the facts right. The sin isn't Judaism as such but instead the man-made religion which is not the same as the Biblical teachings. And Christianity is certainly full of man-made traditions that are not Biblical as much or more so than Rabbinic Judaism. My point is that God looks on the heart and He is well able to have a loving and eternal relationship with anyone who comes to Him and seeks Him. He is not limited by time, traditions or race. I suspect that there are folks going to heaven that will surprise many traditional Christians and by the same token, there may be many who are surprised when they face judgment and are sentenced to eternal punishment after a life of going to churches.

    The reason I put up the OP was that well meaning believers are being deceived to embrace Judaism Over faith in Christ.
    There is nothing wrong with practicing certain OT customs/traditions as I had a Sabbath meal in Israel and learnt many things that help understand the scriptures from a Jewish perspective.
    A christian believer can honor the OT Jewish practices and keep them in right perspective as long as they don't become legalistic assuming it makes you more holy.

    A danger for some is they actually now believe if they practice OT Jewish observances that God is extra pleased with them and they now have greater access to God. It is actually a deception.
    Full access to God is only by the blood of Christ. When Christ is diminished and Judaism is elevated again that is deception.

    The biggest concern is that true born again believers have forsaken Christ to embrace Judaism and that is apostasy - we cannot ignore that and believers have to be warned.

  10. The Following 5 Users Say Thank You to Cardinal TT For This Useful Post:

    A.J. (12-19-2021), Colonel (12-20-2021), FireBrand (12-16-2021), LionHeart (12-17-2021), Romans828 (12-17-2021)

  11. #27
    Senior Member Tehilah Ba'Aretz's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2015
    Location
    Jerusalem, Israel
    Posts
    563
    Thanked: 647
    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal TT View Post
    The reason I put up the OP was that well meaning believers are being deceived to embrace Judaism Over faith in Christ.
    There is nothing wrong with practicing certain OT customs/traditions as I had a Sabbath meal in Israel and learnt many things that help understand the scriptures from a Jewish perspective.
    A christian believer can honor the OT Jewish practices and keep them in right perspective as long as they don't become legalistic assuming it makes you more holy.

    A danger for some is they actually now believe if they practice OT Jewish observances that God is extra pleased with them and they now have greater access to God. It is actually a deception.
    Full access to God is only by the blood of Christ. When Christ is diminished and Judaism is elevated again that is deception.

    The biggest concern is that true born again believers have forsaken Christ to embrace Judaism and that is apostasy - we cannot ignore that and believers have to be warned.
    I have seen some who proclaim that they are believers in the Jewish Messiah who have ceased to believe that He is God. And there are some who have completely converted to Rabbinic Judaism. I have no intention to defend them. I feel they have embraced error.
    I read Romans 3 again recently. It seems to declare that the Law or as Messianics say, the Torah, has not been abolished or replaced. It does not bring Merit to eternal life but does indeed give honor to God. I am very careful to offer Christian love to anyone who declares that they love God. And in some cases that has included an Orthodox Jewish person who has a personal relationship with God. I cannot judge what is in their hearts accurately but I can hear words of testimony and choose to believe them or reject them.

Tags for this Thread

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •  
Has your Outlander warranty expired? Get a fast online quote from CarWarrantyUS today. Enjoy the open road and leave the repairs to us.