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    Quote Originally Posted by Quest View Post
    Jude in context:

    4 For there are certain men crept in privily, even they who were of old written of beforehand unto this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying our only Master and Lord, Jesus Christ.

    Speaking of one kind of sin

    5 Now I desire to put you in remembrance, though ye know all things once for all, that the Lord, having saved a people out of the land of Egypt, afterward destroyed them that believed not.

    Rescued Israel and then had them die due to their constant rebellion and grumbling..
    6 And angels that kept not their own principality, but left their proper habitation, he hath kept in everlasting bonds under darkness unto the judgment of the great day.

    Nothing there speaks of SEX but of their 'habitation' or dwelling...Heaven?

    7 Even as Sodom and Gomorrah, and the cities about them, having in like manner with these given themselves over to fornication and gone after strange flesh, are set forth as an example, suffering the punishment of eternal fire.

    Homosexuality...strange flesh could reasonably be their attempt to rape the angels of God..they called them men and were refered to as men by Lot. The text here KNOWS they were angels but at the time the context does not indicate anyone knew they were angels.

    8 Yet in like manner these also in their dreamings defile the flesh, and set at nought dominion, and rail at dignities.

    Defile the flesh....disregard authorities and government authorities?

    I don't see this supporting angels having relations with women.
    Take another look at the context of Jude: 6 And angels that kept not their own principality, but left their proper habitation, he hath kept in everlasting bonds under darkness unto the judgment of the great day.


    7 Even as Sodom and Gomorrah, and the cities about them, having in like manner with these given themselves over to fornication and gone after strange flesh, are set forth as an example, suffering the punishment of eternal fire.

    6 & 7 are one sentence. He is comparing the sin of these fallen angels with the sin of Sodom, in that they went after strange flesh and committed sexual sin. The inhabitants of Sodom and Gomorrah aren't chained with these fallen angels. They were in Hades, along with all the rest of the sinful humans in the OT.

    The clues here are the phrases "even as" and "having in like manner". Be mindful of what Jude is teaching in this passage-That there are some who were once in right standing with God but then sinned. Sodom and Gomorrah were never in that place. He is not using them as another example by grouping them together with those who were led out of Egypt and the angels. He is showing that the Israelites that He once saved were also destroyed because they turned their backs on God, and also that there were angels who rebelled against God and have been bound in chains waiting for judgement. Sodom & Gomorrah do not fit in with these.

    What Jude is saying is that even the angels who didn't stay in their proper lane have been reserved in chains waiting for judgment because just as Sodom and Gomorrah and the surrounding cities they also gave themselves over to sexual immorality and went after strange flesh.

    Can you see that? That is what the context of that passage demands.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Colonel View Post
    The men of Sodom went after strange flesh in the sense that they thought it was men that they were trying to rape, rather than women. If they had thought that the ones they were trying to rape were angels then they wouldnt have dared try.
    The men of Sodom went after strange flesh in the sense that they were practicing homosexuals-sodomites. Yes, they even tried this with the angels that came to save Lot, because they thought that they were men and would be fresh victims for themselves. But their sin, the reason why the angels were even there to destroy the city was because of their sexual immorality. That is why Jude was using them as an example, that these fallen angels had partaken of the very same sin-going after strange flesh.

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    CatchyUsername, thanks for posting Dr. Heiser's video. At one time I believed the "sons of God" referred to the descendants of Seth through Adam. I refused to believe that fallen angels cohabited with "the daughters of men". That was BEFORE I became acquainted with Dr. Heiser's extensive - thorough - well prepared - informative videos! I am convinced that there are "the sons of God" - a particular group of angelic beings DISTINCT from the ETERNAL SON of GOD - Jesus Christ.

    Dr. Heiser's presentation clarified what appeared to be paradoxes which I encountered through reading the Bible. Dr. Heiser clearly reveals origin of Nephilim but also the origin of demons - the disembodied spirits of the offspring of the "sons of God" and "daughters of men"

    He methodically explains the reason God told Joshua to utterly destroy the inhabitants of certain cities during the military campaigns of Joshua.

    Dr. Heiser precisely links the UFO phenomena with the fallen angels while touching on the passages concerning "as in the days of Noah" found in Matthew


    Matthew 24:37-39 "But as the days of Noah were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. 38 For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark, 39 And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be."


    THE SONS OF GOD-MICHAEL HEISER


    Dr. Heiser's presentation is lengthy but WELL WORTH THE TIME spent watching it!

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    Read the entire thread, Clint. Dr. Heiser's claims concerning which tribes were exterminated for what reason and to which degree are simply inaccurate.

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